Worlds Comments

cheergirl622 · GURU

Worlds Comments

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

CheeeerMom wrote:

So let`s say that a cheer team competed, and won a bid. Then they decided that they were going to build a whole new team with kids from another gym and just use the same amount of athletes? That doesn`t seem right?

Not only do I agree that wouldn't be fair, it can't be done A team can only have 10 substitutes and those substitutes had to have competed with the gym at the same competition.

McKenna052 · Newbie

These are the only rules posted on the USASF site regarding limitations on teams. I thought there was a more specific rule about substitutions too, but I can't find one.

Worlds Team Qualification:
The maximum number of athletes on any team at the Worlds can not exceed the same number of athletes that were on the floor at the competition where the team received the bid to attend the Worlds.
Example 1: If you receive a bid at XYZ Competition and you had 32 athletes competing on the floor, then your maximum number of athletes that you may compete with at The Worlds is 32. This remains the same even if you had additional athletes registered and paid for on that team at the bid giving event.

If you receive your bid at a USASF qualifying event that does not limit the number of athletes in a large division to 35 and you compete with additional athletes to receive your bid, then you must reduce your squad number to 35 when competing at The Worlds.
Example 2: If you receive a bid at XYZ Competition with 40 athletes competing on the floor, then you must remove 5 athletes for The Worlds in order to comply to the 35 maximum rule.

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

Those aren't the only rules:

Here's what is written regarding substitutes:

http://www.usasf.net/frmDefault.aspx?cn=Worlds2007.htm

Substitutions
The rule that applies to substitutions is as follows:
A Maximum of 10 substitutions will be allowed per team for the USASF Cheerleading and Dance Worlds Championship.
Each team receiving a bid will complete a roster with the names of the team members that performed on the team during the bid-winning performance. Each team member that cannot attend should be noted and a substitute named. The substitute must be a regular paid participant from another team at the same gym and must have competed on the floor on another team from that gym at the same Nationals where the bid was awarded. All substitutes must meet the same eligibility requirements as the original team that was awarded a bid (i.e. age, etc.). Should a substitute become necessary after submission of your team roster and after travel plans have been approved and confirmed, any additional costs associated with the substitution must be paid by the affected gym.

-- Edited by Tamara at 11:24, 2007-04-23

Diva Coach Melissa · Senior Member

So is it possible then, for someone who was NOT on the floor for qualification (with the team that qualified or any other team from that program) to have competed at Worlds with the team?

Amac · Veteran Member

I'm pretty sure that as long as you have the same number of kids on the floor that you did when you qualified, and you don't have more than 10 "substitutions" (different than the kids that were on floor when the team qualified), it doesn't matter who they are or where they're from.. (as long as they meet age and credential requirements)

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

I can't imagine that's true since the rule states:

The substitute must be a regular paid participant from another team at the same gym and must have competed on the floor on another team from that gym at the same Nationals where the bid was awarded.

If that's not saying the substitute must have competed at the same competition with the same gym, I don't know what it does say.

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

oooohhh! Unless, they can compete, but those last minute substitutes would have to be paid by someone other than the national the bid was earned. So, I guess a gym could do it, but it would be pretty pricey.

Amac · Veteran Member

Then I'm wrong.... Haha. Oh well... I thought the rule was made for kids who were injured or something else.. So if someone's hurt at that nationals.. and can't compete on ANY team.. Then they can't compete at Worlds? And what about gyms that scholarship their kids.. So technically they're not paid participants.. They just compete for their gym.
I've heard of both these scenarios this year.. Which is why I guess I thought it didn't matter. Oops! Oh well...

I guess there's just ways around every rule.. And there will be until they make kids bring id's or birth certificates and verify who's on the floor at every competition. Because even if they check the world's divisions, who's going to prove that a certain kid didn't compete with a different team from that gym on that day? Since the only proof would be their name on a release form. And believe me, no one at any registration desk has any way to prove (or even checks for that matter) that the info on those forms is true, or even makes sense. They just count to make sure numbers match up.

I know as a coach, I've seen a gym suffer a last minute injury in warm ups or something, and put someone else on the floor without changing the name at registration. And I've never seen anyone get "caught."

Maybe the rule is there, but I have no idea how they could enforce it.. Just a thought.

-- Edited by Amac at 11:42, 2007-04-23

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

Amac wrote:
So if someone's hurt at that nationals.. and can't compete on ANY team.. Then they can't compete at Worlds?

That's the way I read it. That's what was happening with Top Gun(?). They turned down bid after bid because people on the team were injured and couldn't compete at the nationals.

Amac wrote:
And what about gyms that scholarship their kids.. So technically they're not paid participants.. They just compete for their gym.

I think because they are still being paid for (by the gym), they still count under the "paid participant".

Amac wrote:

Then I'm wrong.... Haha. Oh well... I thought the rule was made for kids who were injured or something else.. So if someone's hurt at that nationals.. and can't compete on ANY team.. Then they can't compete at Worlds? And what about gyms that scholarship their kids.. So technically they're not paid participants.. They just compete for their gym.
I've heard of both these scenarios this year.. Which is why I guess I thought it didn't matter. Oops! Oh well...

I guess there's just ways around every rule.. And there will be until they make kids bring id's or birth certificates and verify who's on the floor at every competition. Because even if they check the world's divisions, who's going to prove that a certain kid didn't compete with a different team from that gym on that day? Since the only proof would be their name on a release form. And believe me, no one at any registration desk has any way to prove (or even checks for that matter) that the info on those forms is true, or even makes sense. They just count to make sure numbers match up.

I know as a coach, I've seen a gym suffer a last minute injury in warm ups or something, and put someone else on the floor without changing the name at registration. And I've never seen anyone get "caught."

Maybe the rule is there, but I have no idea how they could enforce it.. Just a thought.

-- Edited by Amac at 11:42, 2007-04-23

Agreed.

On a side note, I wasn't being snotty when I wrote "if that's not what it means..." When I reread my post, I feared that some may think I was. I was being sincere, I have no clue what USASF is trying to say if not that. However, there was another rule that I thought clearly meant something only to find out I was wrong, so who knows, it could just be me again.

Amac · Veteran Member

I know you weren't being snotty!

Diva Coach Melissa · Senior Member

I agree that it's sort of whacked out to say someone who was injured at Nationals can't compete at Worlds...however, I do get the point. Because it's very easy for me (or whoever) to say I had a bunch of kids injured at Nationals and then recruit stronger kids and bump weaker ones for Worlds. I guess the point to be taken from that is, don't get injured for Nationals!

Cheer Parent · Senior Member

UNFORTUNATLEY THERE ARE GYMS ACROSS THE USA THAT WILL FIND LOOPHOLES AND WAYS TO STRETCH THE TRUTH OR KINK THE SYSTEM TO WIN IT WILL ALWAYS BE LIKE THAT. ALL YOU CAN DO IS GO OUT AND DO YOUR BEST AND HOPE YOU WIN FAIRLY THAT WAY YOU HAVE GOOD CONSIOUS AND GOOD KARMA ANY WAY YOU LOOK AT IT CALI STILL DID GOOD REPRESNTED THERE WAS NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

Since the topic is "Worlds Comments", this is on topic:

Cheer Parent, I didn't see your mop of out of control orange hair. What happened? ;)

Cheer411 · Senior Member

Wow!

What an accomplishment!

To all the teams, that stayed together, worked extremely hard at practice, competed at many regionals, nationals, and earned an invite to worlds here is an extra big CONGRATULATIONS!

California you did us PROUD!

Way to go!

Cheer Parent · Senior Member

ROF/LOL I WAS THE CRAZY ONE YOU COULDNT MISS ME HOWEVER I TRIED TO GET ON TV BUT SO FAR EVERYONE I TALKED TO SAID THE CAMERA DIDNT HIT ME DARN IT MAYBE ILL HAVE TO CHANGE MY IDENTITY!!!!!! SPIDERMAN WATCH OUT

Fierce Coach · GURU

I'm back and tired. But I had a lot of fun!!!!

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

Good job to all Worlds athletes!

-- Edited by Tamara at 18:31, 2007-04-24

Cheer Parent · Senior Member

I'm already having withdrawls is there a cheeraholic around because I'm addicted. What are we going to do!! HELP!~ Lol

JennyCheerCA · Veteran Member

So what if someone cheats with kids and gets caught AFTER worlds?