Prelims

Date: Wed Aug 9 7:45 PM, 2006

Prelims

Date: Wed Aug 9 7:55 PM, 2006

USASF states in their Information and Guidelines:

"There will be a minimum of 50% of the teams, from each of the following divisions, progressing from “prelims” to the “finals” on Sunday, April 22nd.
*Small Senior All Girl
*Large Senior All Girl
*Small Senior Coed
*Large Senior Coed"

For International divisions:
"A minimum of 50% of the highest scoring teams from “each country” will progress from “prelims” to “finals” in an effort to create a stronger country versus country competition atmosphere."

Let the discussions begin...

Date: Wed Aug 9 8:31 PM, 2006

I was at worlds and there were way to many. Especially in the small coed. It seemed last year more then 50%.

Date: Wed Aug 9 9:00 PM, 2006

In Small Coed there were 18 teams in prelims and 10 advanced to finals. That would be 55%.

Date: Thu Aug 10 1:33 AM, 2006

Worlds Watcher wrote:

In Small Coed there were 18 teams in prelims and 10 advanced to finals. That would be 55%.

actually, there were 32 in the entire division, but only 18 actually had to compete to get into finals because the others had full paid bids so they were automatically in finals. there were 24 total in finals (10 from prelims and 14 automatically) so this comes to 75% of the entire division in finals and 55% from prelims

just wanted to clear up the post above...it was the right info, but there was just more to the story =)

Date: Thu Aug 10 7:01 AM, 2006

The post asked how many from prelims advanced to the finals. It didn't ask or mention anything about teams in the entire division. But thanks anyway.

I think it's odd to say at least 50% move on, without seeing the talent in the prelims. What if only 30% really should advance? I know what you're thinking, they must be good enough to have come this far, but with so many bids everywhere, that might not always be the case, you know?

Date: Thu Aug 10 8:04 AM, 2006

Would a solution be to require a minimum score to advance out of prelims?

Date: Thu Aug 10 9:10 AM, 2006

Oh yeah, most definitely. You can't have mediocre talent at this level going through just because they promised a minimum of 50% of the teams get to move on. Worlds has been watered down as it is with the ridiculous number of bids (of all types) being awarded. At the very least they need to make sure the ones that move on are truly deserving and really ARE competing at a level worthy of being in the finals at Worlds (our superbowl of cheer). Just my thoughts on it.

Date: Thu Aug 10 9:21 AM, 2006

So lets do a little exercise here. Based on the scores in the finals, what do you think the minimum score should be to advance from prelims to finals?

Example:

Small All Girl had a range of final scores from 86.44 to 71.22. Do you think that the minimum score to advance from prelims to finals should be 80.00? That would possibly have eliminated 7 of the 17 teams in finals.

Date: Thu Aug 10 10:55 AM, 2006

I think what they should do is take all the scores from the divisions and find the average score. Then that should be the set score to make it out of prelims the next year.

Date: Thu Aug 10 11:05 AM, 2006

they should wrote:

I think what they should do is take all the scores from the divisions and find the average score. Then that should be the set score to make it out of prelims the next year.

Okay, lets calculate this out. In Small Sr the average score is 79.83, yet in Large Coed the average is 84.33. How do people feel about different scores for each division to advance to finals?

Date: Thu Aug 10 11:06 AM, 2006

Oh, I may have misunderstood the original suggestion. Take ALL the division scores and average that so you come up with ONE score to advance from prelims.

Date: Thu Aug 10 12:08 PM, 2006

Yup that's it. Sorry if my post was a little confusing. But I think if they did that then no one could disagree right? I mean if you're not average or above you shouldn't compete at finals.

Date: Thu Aug 10 7:29 PM, 2006

How about a minimum score and a maximum # of teams? So say, there could ONLY be 10 teams in the finals but you take the HIGHEST 10 scorers only???

Date: Thu Aug 10 8:14 PM, 2006

What about the paid bids who dont have to compete in pre lims? What if there are already ten in there. Should we tell the rest to go away? I think it's a good idea, but instead of how many teams can be in finals, how about so many teams can make it out of prelims.

Date: Thu Aug 10 9:24 PM, 2006

I think we're just talking about prelims here. I'm sure the post from How About meant to say there could only be 10 teams ADVANCING to the finals. Not 10 in the finals.

My vote would be you have to obtain a minimum score. If less than 50% of the teams in prelims are awarded that score, too bad. You shouldn't advance if you don't obtain a score that SHOULD be set high considering what this competition is supposed to stand for.

Date: Fri Aug 11 9:12 AM, 2006

I think if a minimum score is required to get out of prelims it would also give some gyms second thoughts about attending at all. Therefore, less teams in prelims. I think this is a good thing. Just remember, there were a lot more teams that had unpaid bids that didn't even go. So lets weed a few more out so we have less in prelims to start with.

105 unpaid bids being given this year. If minimum of 50% make it through to finals we will have 110 teams in finals. Ridiculous!

Date: Fri Aug 11 9:16 AM, 2006

Good info Worlds Watcher- Couldnt say it beeter myself- They are giving way too many bids- It seems it's all about money- More bids given out the more $$$ they will make-

Date: Fri Aug 11 10:00 AM, 2006

this is kind of off topic, but also relevant....does anyone else out there think that it's ridiculous that the teams with full paid bids automatically get to be in finals??? i mean, there were definitely some teams with partially paid bids that were better than some that just made it into finals because the team with the partially paid bid might have gotten their bid at a much harder competition (like NCA or cheersport, for example) and the team with the full paid bid got it at some competition that few people have even heard of...idk just something i was thinking about and i was wondering if anyone else out there feels the same way =)

Date: Fri Aug 11 11:00 AM, 2006

The teams that did prelims had an advantage. They were able to get on the floor and perform their routine in front of the judges and get their scores. They knew what the judges were looking for and where they needed improvement. The got the jitters out, (so to speak), and truly got a feel of performing on the floor. The teams that went straight to finals didn't have that advantage. Yes, they got to warm up on the mat but that is nothing compared to competing like the prelim teams did. They stepped on the mat without knowing what the judges would think or where they could improve. The prelim teams had the chance to make corrections based on the prelim scoresheets. I think those teams that went straight to finals and did WELL were truly the best of the best. They had only one opportunity to do their thing, come what may, and they showed that they were the best.