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Post Info TOPIC: Parents VS. Athlete
The Straw

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Parents VS. Athlete


This question is for all the coaches and program directors out there. Parents and Athletes can feel free to chime in of course.

Does anyone find that they have trouble making tough decisions for their team not because they will upset an "athlete" but more so the "parent"?

EXAMPLES:
  • Taking a kid out of the air.
  • Choosing a kid to perform on a second team rather than another.
  • Moving down a level for a competition.
  • Completly removing a kid from a team because they can't throw required skills.



I've often said that this sport would be so much easier to coach if it wasn't for the parent. I guess that goes for any sport though. Kids I've found are very resiliant but it's the parents that can't except reality sometimes.

What do you all think?

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Parent

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I think coaches get over that one after a few times. As a parent who has had a kid at all of the levels, it gets easier as the kid gets older. Parents are worse the younger the child. Maybe some parents won't like what I said but oh boy is it sooooooo true...

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Gold Mom

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As a past director of a program dealing with parents is definitely the hardest part of the job. Directors need to be good at managing people and communicating. I can't stress the importance of communication from the very beginning. The more up front coaches and directors are with the parents and cheerleaders, the easier it is. That being said all decisions should be based on what is best for the team as a whole. Focus on that. Your skin will thicken up and don't take things personally. It is never personal.

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Danny

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Gold Mom, very true. Communication from the very beginning is key. However......nothing and I mean nothing can ever prepare a parent for dealing with their child being dissapointed. For that reason, we as coaches will always have to deal with irrational parents. It's part of the job. We accept it right?

To this day, my mom complains about the lack of innings I got to play as a lttile league baseball player.

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Gold Mom

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So true Danny. I am actually a little peeved that my son didn't get to play enough innings when he was on the allstar baseball team. Of course, I never got in the coaches face about it though.

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Sir Coach-A-Lot

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"Does anyone find that they have trouble making tough decisions for their team not because they will upset an 'athlete' but more so the 'parent'?"

No. Never had a problem. Parents pay to have their child on the team. They don't pay me to make the decisions. My bosses do. I liken it to professional sports. I pay money to watch the A's play, so do I complain when the manager pulls out a pitcher I think should continue to play? Yes, I complain. But the manager has every right to ignore me and does, because he's being paid to make the decisions. I have several options. I can continue complaining and just get riled up, I can not complain and trust that the manager knows what he is doing (which in most cases he does) or I can go to Giants games.

As a coach, so long as I remember the above I won't have a problem making tough decisions. I know parents are sometimes complaining to each other about it but when do fans not second guess coaches?


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Sir Coach-A-Lot

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Didn't mean to sound harsh. So wanted to add in this little tid bit. I don't "deal" with parents, rather, I work effectively with them. After all, I don't get paid if there are no teams to coach.

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Jodi

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I really do not like to get in the middle of these but here is my 2 cents. I am a coach and a director. I feel that for the most part I can talk with my parents as well as the athletes in my program. I keep an open door for conversation between the parents as well as the athletes. Some people may think this is not a good idea because I am also opening the door for other problems but so far this has worked for me and the program as a whole. On one of the teams I coach I pulled a flyer, who is great in the air but can not pull the skill I wanted in the routine and someone else could so she is not flying-in that section, she is a back spot in the stunt instead. Both the athlete and parent knows that the decision was not made to punish the athlete but to help better the team. This was explained again to the flyer when the decision was made.

As Danny and Gold mom said, communication is the key. It is similar to school...the teacher has conferences with the parents, I try to touch base with the parents when I can so they are aware of the progress or lack there of in some cases of their child.

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cheer addict

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As an Allstar Cheerleader, I have to say that there is nothing worse than cheer parents who think they are the ones on the team. When you sign the contract of putting your child on a team, you are basically signing away that you are putting your trust in that coach. After all that is their job. For example, my dad is a ceo of a company and if he has to fire someone that is bringing the company down, that is what has to be done. To me, cheerleading is the same way. but in any decision. It is up to the coach to decide on whatever they want. level changes, or removal of a team member. I know that although it would be very hard, if i were removed from my team i would be mortified if one of my parents were peeved about anything other then still having to pay. cheer coaches are payed to do what their good at.

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Cheer Mom2

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I agree with Danny, Gold Mom and Jodi couldn't have put it better (I like her style).

If a change needs to be made for whatever the reason, coaches shouldn't assume the affected student(s) and parent(s) know why the decision was made. Keeping the line of communication open is best for all. Shouldn't ALL coaches have good people skills and learn to communicate effectively? esp. to the "parents" yes, the folks who are supporting your program both physically and financially?

I have been around horrible, belligerent parents and happy to say I am not one of them. I keep the peace by respecting coaching decisions. I must say decisions without communicating will hurt and disappoint your students and parents which will lead to separation and disrespect. One team, one family is what you we all should strive for.

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Appropriate timing

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What a great topic and appropriate timing. I want to acknowledge the Program Directors and Coaches who have responded so far, "effective communication" appears to be a common theme.

I am currently struggling with this. So, I would like throw a few questions out there for coaches and program directors on their best advice to give and recommended approaches.

Based on your experience:
1. What would you recommend a parent to do when a change is made (for whatever reason) that affects their child and no explanation is given?
2. How would you perceive and respond to the parent and child, if they began to ask questions and especially begin making inaccurate assumptions?
3. Could this have been avoided?
4. Any advise for the coach?

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Mrs. Coach

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1. What would you recommend a parent to do when a change is made (for whatever reason) that affects their child and no explanation is given? most changes are pretty obvious. from someone needing to get to a certain formation, to another person being a stronger base or flyer, to replacing injuries or whatever. i think most changes are really obvious.
2. How would you perceive and respond to the parent and child, if they began to ask questions and especially begin making inaccurate assumptions? if its causing problems i would just let them know whats going on. but i think a parent would trust a coaches decision.
3. Could this have been avoided? no, i think mainly "stage moms" are the only ones that make this a big deal
4. Any advise for the coach? just trust what your doing!

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Interesting Response

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Hmmm. Interesting response Mrs. Coach.
So, overall your saying mind your own business, trust the coach, and if the change is causing problems then the coach would talk to them. Take the reactive approach rather than proactive. Alrighty-then.

I was caught by surprise by the blunt response, I guess I expected more of a professional response. Thanks anyway.

PS. What is a "stage mom", is this a term that is used by coaches?

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Surfer

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This isn't perfectly related but maybe you guys can help me.

My brother plays basketball for a local Varsity team. Recently the coach has been making him stay back on defense instead of getting out on fast breaks where he scaores most of his points. Also he normally plays at least 42 of the 48 minutes but last week he came out in the midlde of the second quarter and didn't go back in until after the half. Then he only played maybe 15 minutes in the second half. Oh and normally he takes all of the technical foul free throws but at the beginning of December someone else got to take them. The coach has told my parents NOTHING!

Should I tell my parents to demand an explanation or at least complain about the lack of communication? The team is doing really well and i don't really think my brother is upset about all this but STILL.

What do you all think my parents should do?

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happy coach

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1. What would you recommend a parent to do when a change is made (for whatever reason) that affects their child and no explanation is given? If your child is upset and does not feel they can ask the coach or that the coach did not give them a reason, you can ask the coach. Some coaches will be fine with it where as some coaches will be offended that you would question them-hopefully it is the first. If the parent is going to approach the coach do so with your child after practice...remember that this is about your child so your child should be present and have a voice in the conversation.

2. How would you perceive and respond to the parent and child, if they began to ask questions and especially begin making inaccurate assumptions? I would help them understand why their child was moved-perhaps the reason is because the coach thinks that they will be better in the new position.


3. Could this have been avoided? It depends. Parents have put their children in a program which they believe they will thrive in and hopefully they believe in the coaches enough. I come from teaching in a district where my every move had to be justified and I try to do the same in coaching so that their are no surprises...it's easier for me and the families involved.

4. Any advise for the coach? Know that this is cheer and with many sports, parents love to be involved. Be patient and think before you speak.



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Non Surfer

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Well Surfer, I would just let things be for now. Maybe your brothers coach has a method behind the madness. Sounds like your brother is a main player. Maybe the coach wants the team to step up and not allow your brother to carry the weight of the team? You could always ask the coach why in a really nice way. But realize this.... the coach wants to win, probably more so than the players and parents. So don't think for a second that he/she will jeopardize the team for a silly reason. When my child is moved, I just sit back and wait. If my child is good enough, she will be put back into her spot. If someone else is better, then isn't that what's good for the team and gives them a better chance at winning??? Why would I even question that? Just wait and see. Things become clear in time.....

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thank you from another coach

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Thank you non-surfer, I think you just answered a lot of questions with your response. Cheerleading is a sport, like any other sport out there. As you stated with the surfers brother, let things be and see where they go. Too often coaches make changes because it is for the betterment of the team, it's getting the parents to understand that that is the challenge. Parents tend to react and create thier own reasons why their child may have been moved. Sometimes you just have to sit back and see what is going on in the big picture and I believe most of the time you will figure out why what was done, was done.

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Pyramids mom

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I just have to put in my 2 cents since I have not seen the response that I try to give my kids. I am a mom of two boys 15 and 18 that have played baseball since they were 5 and a daughter 14 that has cheered since she was 8.

I have been the parent, the coaches wife, and the coach (one year of youth football cheer which I must say was the most stressful thing I have done and has given me the utmost respect for cheer coaches in general!) Throughout my experiences in all aspects, the thing that my husband and I have learned is that most of the time when changes are made to a child in his or her sport, the child is not nearly as upset as the parent! We make it a practice to ask our child about any changes in their role on their team and ask them why they think the change was made. If they don't know and seem upset about it, we tell them that if they want an explanation they need to ask their coach in private after their next practice. Most of the time they do and get an answer they can live with. Coaches are not out to make a child angry or disappointed on purpose. But if they do, they usually will really respect THE CHILD asking them why they did what they did much more than a parent asking them.

Before you get concerned about your childs placement on a team, in a routine, on the field, or anywhere else, see if your child is bothered by it before you approach the coaches or administrators. Then if they are, have them ask their coach. Kids need to learn how to stand up for themselves and not always rely on their parents to do it for them. We have done this with our children and have always had good results. To that fact, I have never had to get involved and my kids have become confident in themselves and their sports.

I realize this may not be the best solution in every situation, but for the most part it has worked for me. I try this approach with school too and have positive results.


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Danny

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Pyramids Mom, that last post just made my Top 3 posts of ALL TIME list!

Good Job!

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Motions Mom

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Pyramids Mom, I agree with you 100%. My daughter started cheering at the age of 9. At first I thought it was my responsibility to jump in immediately to talk with coaches when "I thought" there was an issue. I found out very early that it was usually "my issue", not my daughters. Asking her opinion and discussing things with her first, even at the age of 9, was much more successful. She is the one on the team, not me. She sees things differently than I do. When she needed me, I was there, either to help HER figure out how to approach the coach or just to be there for comfort.

Your methodology works. We've done it with cheer and at school and it has helped my daughter become a mature, respectful young lady. And we have both enjoyed her last 6 years of cheer because of this.



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