Worlds becoming Over-Rated?

Date: Tue Sep 27 7:54 PM, 2005

Worlds becoming Over-Rated?

Date: Tue Sep 27 8:01 PM, 2005

Thats hecka true, i wanna go to worlds really bad too. and thats why im hoping all american gets to go to cheersport in atlanta, so we can get a bid from a big company. not just a small one. it'll make us seem cooler. haha

-Stef
720 Senior Prep

Date: Tue Sep 27 8:58 PM, 2005

Well the experience would be cool.... JUST KIDDING...... hehehehehehe

A bid to go is a bid to go, and NO ONE goes to lose!!! If you're good enough to get a bid, then great. Even if the competition is small..... who cares. You are there to WIN against the best of the best and how can you compete against them if you aren't going? So big or small competition, you want to GET THERE so you can WIN THERE against the best.

I know people say that they go for the experience. Well, I went to Mexico for the experience and that it was. But either way, EVERYONE goes to win. But if there are 12 teams, then there will be 11 losers. So what. You got to go to Worlds and in that alone, you had a CHANCE to win. Don't you at least want THAT? You can't win if you're not there.

All competitions WANT lots of teams to compete. It's just good for business. I am sure JAMZ and GSSA would kill to have that many teams at their competitions. It's not like they tell teams, "Sorry guys, we already have 3 in that division. You can't compete." It's up to your gym to decide to compete at particular competitions. Not the orginization that's holding the competition.

Yea, it would be "cool" to win at a bigger competition. And yea, it would be "cool" to win at Worlds after beating all of those teams already once..... but wouldn't it be cool to win at a small Nationals, go to Worlds and come home with first place? That would throw the cheer world on it's head, that's for sure!!! A "nobody" team coming out of "nowhere" and winning Worlds. Imagine the story there! I guarantee they wouldn't forget who you were after that!

Date: Tue Sep 27 10:45 PM, 2005

Actually the quality of a competitor and/or team, does not represent where they got their bid from, but just of how good they are. Power Cheer got their BID from GSSA this year and I thought were very strong. Also the companies that you are speaking of have "National championships" which mean they are open to anyone across the country who wants to sign up. If people from California do not attend the WSF nationals in New Jersey, then who's fault is that. Actually the competitions that WSF and Jamfest are giving out their bids are among the biggest nationals in the country. GSSA's competitions are becoming very big too. Granted not as big as cheersport, but there can only be 1 cheersport and 1 NCA. The various championships give out bids at their biggest and sometimes most prestigous competitions because it will represent their company to the fullest. I think thats the point of worlds. Cheer Athletics gets their bids from ACA in San Antonio and that compeition is the same size as USA nationals, maybe smaller.

Date: Wed Sep 28 6:20 AM, 2005

Thank you!!!!!!! That's what I was trying to say!!!!!!!!!!!!! small or large, that doesn't make your team better and when you GET to Worlds, there's where you will know just how good you are!!!

Date: Wed Sep 28 11:55 AM, 2005

i agree that big or small they should give out a bid. companies that have more than one nationals like CTC are only choosing to give out bids at one of their nationals, like it should be. I think this is just going to make jamz, gssa, ctc and others stronger organizations. the teams from NCA that always get 4th, 5th, 6th can come out here and probably win. That will help in california also for us to step it up.

usasf states CLEARLY when an where they are giving out bids. its up to the teams to do whatever necessary if they really want those bids. its fair for EVERYBODY.

although i do think it will take a few years to do this.. i think we will see some "random" teams at worlds this year. because there are so many bids all of a sudden, teams will be recieving bids and people will be like huh?? but.. its fair! that team deserves to be going because they won their competition. end of story.

also.. yes power recieved their bid from GSSA last year, and yes they were considered "good" around this area. but, what did they place at worlds 9th? out of 10 i think. thats just how it is there.

anyways my point, it will take a few years to get these smaller competition companies to be even half the size of NCA or cheersport, but i think it is a good thing they are doing.

Date: Wed Sep 28 12:07 PM, 2005

Obviously, Northern california is furthur behind than the rest of the country. That is like stating the obviously. Power Cheer Senior Coed was the best team in norcal last year ( please do not start a debate on who was better. this is just an opinion. actually it is not. i do not think anybody beat them last year up here in norcal) They did thier best and still only got 8 or 9. we are far behind and should take any bids that we get.

Date: Wed Sep 28 8:22 PM, 2005

(in response to sb all star) But thats just it isnt it? "Random' teams are going to show up at worlds and soon enough worlds is not going to be hard to get to anymore. Bids left and right, who know what teams are going to be competing there this year. What about in 5 years? How many bids do they plan to give out by then?

I think that in the furture, there are going to be too many people getting bids to worlds.

Another thing that I strongly disagree with and forgot to bring up is At Large Bids. Why should a team go to worlds on an At Large Bid if they couldnt even beat the first place team in their division? What do you guys think?

-Bryan
Motions Coed

Date: Wed Sep 28 10:37 PM, 2005

I don't really agree on some of the posts from what I have seen from the worlds over the past 2 years.

1st. Watching Worlds this past year, there wasn't any really random teams other than the international teams that went and we all know they are just not advanced yet. Im just waiting for some American coaches to move abroad and start working with them and making them amazing.

2nd. I would have to say that all the West coast teams made pretty good showings at the Worlds. I was really impressed by American cheer and Stars Extreme. Stars and VCSC pride could of had more tumbing, but im sure they are working on this things. Power cheer had lots of talent and I think placed 7th, over Georgia all stars. To be honest I thought POWER didn't perform very well at worlds considering I had seen them perform all year long and nailing their routine. their routine at worlds was very sloppy in comparison to their past performances. Lots of talent too. Champion outlaws also had a pretty good routine.

3rd. The teams you think that are "random" must be doing something right because they are winning at some pretty good competitions. WSF's New jersey comp where they are handing out bids is HUGE!! World cup and F5 attend there. All of Jamfest's events are big. Again GSSA, USA, and JAMZ are growing in size every year so they should do well.

Date: Thu Sep 29 7:25 AM, 2005

I think what you mean by "random" teams is that you hadn't seen them before they showed at Worlds because they weren't contenders before then and most gyms hadn't heard of them. Well, every gym is a random gym at one point. You go to LA (that's Louisianna people) and then talk about Motions or Pyramids and they are going to think "who????"... but in Nor Cal you know who they are.

Still, even down here in So Cal, you name some Nor Cal teams and you will still get the puzzled look. And vice versa. But just because someone gets a bid somehow doesn't make them "random". So what if 5 teams go to compete in All Girl verses 15 going to compete in All Girl. Only level 5 goes and even then, we all seem to have a different interpretation of what level 5 really is. (IE: full team tumbling vs some girls doing a required tumble) Either way, Worlds brings together the best of all those hundreds of Nationals out there. 5 or 15 teams in your category, you had better be the best or you're going home without that first place trophy.

What I was wondering about is..... how many orginizations are going to hold their own WORLDS competition in the future? We seem to have a bazillion NATIONALS out there. Cheerleader:"Yea, we won Nationals!" Other cheerleader."OH really? Which one?" hehehehehehehehe

That cracks me up.

Date: Thu Sep 29 8:50 AM, 2005

'I think' , since the worlds is sponsored by the USASF and about 90% of the cheerleading companies belong to that, I can only assume that they will all support the worlds competition. Especially since they are all members of USASF. I know that American cheer power and some other companies are starting some competition called Final Destination which seems like the worlds , but the worlds to me is the ultimate competition. Its finally determines who is the best.

Date: Thu Sep 29 9:52 AM, 2005

I agree completly.....

Date: Thu Sep 29 9:53 AM, 2005

and i cant spell..... lol

Date: Tue Oct 4 6:37 PM, 2005

a bid to worlds is a bid to worlds no matter wwhere you get it its still an honnor! YaY for worlds!

Date: Tue Oct 4 8:38 PM, 2005

Think back to the days where not everyone qualified to nationals. Nowadays, everyone qualifies to nationals.

Soon, everyone is going to "qualify" to worlds. Does anyone here agree?

-Bryan
Motions Coed

Date: Tue Oct 4 9:24 PM, 2005

I definatly agree with you there Bryan. I remember when we would KILL to get a Nationals title. Last season our gym received MANY titles. It was kind of like winning at regionals after a while. I just hope that Worlds keeps it as difficult as it is. But if other orginizations have their own Worlds... then whats next? Universe?????

Date: Tue Oct 4 9:35 PM, 2005

thats a great idea... yes i like ur thinking... now if only i wasnt 16 i would create a universe competition... haha jus playin

but on a serious note (which can be rare of me) i do agree with u bryan i hope it doesnt become something that everyone makes...

Date: Tue Oct 4 10:14 PM, 2005

I think a simple way to look at the issue is compare how many all star programs there are to the amount of teams that get bids to worlds. Now take that and look at how many teams actually ATTEND Worlds. About 20 teams went to worlds this year and that is not even 5% of the the all star market. I still feel the champions or the runners up are still the best of the best in the market. Im also looking at who is winning Worlds too. Spirit of Texas, miami elite, f5, and stingrays. Those teams are pretty well known and some of the best. To compete against them is an honor in itself.

Date: Sat Oct 8 9:18 AM, 2005

Here. I have an example.

We have 3 teams.

Loser All Stars
Winner All Stars
2nd Place All Stars
Random All Stars

Loser All Stars and 2nd Place All Stars go head to head with 20 teams in their division at Cheersport Nationals. Winner All Stars get a Bid to worlds.

Loser All Stars competes against 3 teams at GSSA and gets a bid to worlds.

Random All Stars got 3rd place at Cheersport Nationals, did not get a bid to worlds, but is better than Loser All Stars.

What do we do then? I think Worlds will only be "WORLDS" when it is one, two, or maybe three, LEGITAMENT united states nationals that the winners can qualify to worlds from.

-Bryan
Motions Coed

Date: Sat Oct 8 9:48 AM, 2005

thats why the good teams are gonna travel to the "easier" compititions! and then people will start complaining that 'california should have their own compeititons' or something like that. so be happy! yes it will take a few years to even out, but take advantage of that now! get your team to worlds!

ps- with teams from both southern and northern california, i think there will be PLEANTY of competition to get those bids. now that it is within reach, EVERYOne wants to go.

this year will be awesome