kids wo have aged out

fanforlife · Newbie

kids wo have aged out

AirborneOwner · GURU

If you attending the same competition with them you can challenge the ages of the kids, you just need to understand that the event producer will tell the other coach who the challenge is from, so you need to be ready for the backlash that may cause.

This is one of the reasons why we have the Age Verification for the NCAA gyms. We are checking a specific number of athletes at each event.

fanforlife · Newbie

We aren't members of a gym anymore but these kids used to be at the same gym and have moved to a different gym.

Cfierce · Senior Member

I actually look like ive aged out but I recently turned 18. :) , lol and I like cheer. I'm sad this is my last year on a senior team. I wish I would of started sooner, well I got too get off of here I'm super tired

Bladezmom · Senior Member

Both of my daughters can be Super Seniors. My oldest, who is now a freshman in college is not cheering this year (insert sad face here), but she probably will fill for a couple of comps for athletes who cannot attend. Now people know that she has graduated, but she meets the age requirements and can legally cheer.

This topic comes up every year. Have I seen kids cheer that I KNOW are too old out on the floor??? Yes I have. However, you need to provide proof. An event co-ordinator I know told me that a print screen of the athletes MySpace would suffice for evidence if they state their age and it is older that than what is legal! That at least gives them grounds to question the athlete and the program. And, as Nicole said...you better be ready for the backlash.

Good luck

ACEDAD · GURU

Bladezmom wrote:

Both of my daughters can be Super Seniors. My oldest, who is now a freshman in college is not cheering this year (insert sad face here), but she probably will fill for a couple of comps for athletes who cannot attend. Now people know that she has graduated, but she meets the age requirements and can legally cheer.

This topic comes up every year. Have I seen kids cheer that I KNOW are too old out on the floor??? Yes I have. However, you need to provide proof. An event co-ordinator I know told me that a print screen of the athletes MySpace would suffice for evidence if they state their age and it is older that than what is legal! That at least gives them grounds to question the athlete and the program. And, as Nicole said...you better be ready for the backlash.

Good luck

We need people to step up and call people out that are breaking the rules. The event producers and USASF cannot make this happen on their own.

But the parents CAN make this happen.

There's no need to be malicious or vengeful, but state your case to the event producer.

If they don't do anything with your complaint and you've provided evidence, please let me know.

Bill Presson
bill.presson@gmail.com

POSITIVElycheer · Senior Member

Then the event producers need to have a way to report without the backlash that we have all seen.

Even when you know for a fact and can prove it, it is not worth it when event producers tell the offending team who turned them in.

ACEDAD · GURU

POSITIVElycheer wrote:

Then the event producers need to have a way to report without the backlash that we have all seen.

Even when you know for a fact and can prove it, it is not worth it when event producers tell the offending team who turned them in.

Well, I believe that someone in the right has to be willing to stand up and tell the truth.

Then, if there is some kind of backlash, the rest of the gyms/industry need to rally around that person/gym and provide support.

Untill people are willing to accept some discomfort with turning people in, it will continue to be a problem.

POSITIVElycheer · Senior Member

It is not my discomfort that bothers me. It is the way my athletes get treated.

CHEERMOMI2 · Senior Member

Maybe since it's clear that most people will not want to come forward out of fear/concern of backlash or subsequent athelete treatment, an "anonymous" option should be made avaialbe. I don't see how it could hurt. It would make most feel more comfortable about coming forward. Solid proof should be provided to avoid temptations to make false accusations.

Are companies concerned that there will be an increase in false allegations if they allow anonymous reports?

* Solid proof, I guess, is defined by the company. I'm not saying birth certificates must be presented.

-- Edited by CHEERMOMI2 on Tuesday 17th of November 2009 08:23:08 AM

USACheerleader · Veteran Member

It is so sad the dis-honesty that goes on in this sport....By everyone...No offense but the coaches are the worst (I am sure not all) and they always seem to blame it on the parents or someone else..If my children did not love the sport so much I would be gone because the dis-honestly is terrible...

Just Amazing · Newbie

USACheerleader wrote:

It is so sad the dis-honesty that goes on in this sport....By everyone...No offense but the coaches are the worst (I am sure not all) and they always seem to blame it on the parents or someone else..If my children did not love the sport so much I would be gone because the dis-honestly is terrible...

Well said and I agree. However I would like to believe more people are honest than dishonest. But it only takes a few to ruin it for the rest.

MrCommentary · Veteran Member

I don't think looking at athletes myspace's and facebooks are legitimate reasons to disqualify a team. I mean kids on these websites lie about their ages all the time. I know of kids who want to be an "older teen" on the site so they put 18 or 19 when they are really only 16 or 17. Really it all comes down to birth certificates and gym owners REALLY checking them for proof of age. Where things get kind of "gray" is determining if a 19 year old who was 18 by a certain date can cheer on a level 5 team or not. It seems that's where the whole age thing gets mixed up and kind of shady.

cheerburger · Member

Just Amazing wrote:

USACheerleader wrote:

It is so sad the dis-honesty that goes on in this sport....By everyone...No offense but the coaches are the worst (I am sure not all) and they always seem to blame it on the parents or someone else..If my children did not love the sport so much I would be gone because the dis-honestly is terrible...

Well said and I agree. However I would like to believe more people are honest than dishonest. But it only takes a few to ruin it for the rest.

I must agree with you on the coaches blaming the parents and kids or someone else. I've never seen them own up unless it's a win. Well, maybe once. It seems to be human nature.

Stylez · Newbie

I think what it comes down to is a lot of kids and parents dont know where to go once they have aged out... And as a coach myself I have always infromed my kids what is out there once they can no longer be on a senior team. So i think it is up to the programs to help inform the kids more on what life lies after your senior year... Just in California there are 4 programs that i know of for sure that have international teams and 1 that has a level 6 team. Also there are Junior Colleges that have cheer programs (yes i know it is on hard floor and you cant throw doubles) these programs can help kids get into 4 year colleges... which in the long run isnt that what most parents want. Finally we have a USA olympic team that has try-outs (which is going to be in the winter olympics in FEB yay to that LOL) I know that was a lot but we need to see this sport get bigger.

cheer2win · Member

I find it sad that so many gym owners allow their coaches to cheat and also teach these young cheerleaders to cheat. Rules are made for a reason and they should be followed by all. Many people think its only a problem on senior team, however its happening with all divisions, even tiny and mini. I thought sports were suppose to teach kids values. I think us parents need to step up and stop allowing teams to cheat just because they want a win.

Yay4cheerDIVA · Senior Member

MrCommentary wrote:

I don't think looking at athletes myspace's and facebooks are legitimate reasons to disqualify a team. I mean kids on these websites lie about their ages all the time. I know of kids who want to be an "older teen" on the site so they put 18 or 19 when they are really only 16 or 17. Really it all comes down to birth certificates and gym owners REALLY checking them for proof of age. Where things get kind of "gray" is determining if a 19 year old who was 18 by a certain date can cheer on a level 5 team or not. It seems that's where the whole age thing gets mixed up and kind of shady.

yeah umm facebook and myspace ages are not solid evidence of one's age! it could say 3 years old and it can say 99 years old!

DivaPrincessTwinkleStar · Senior Member

What are the age requirements for a senior team this year?

ACEDAD · GURU

DivaPrincessTwinkleStar wrote:

What are the age requirements for a senior team this year?

Depends on the level. Here is the grid;

http://usasf.net.ismmedia.com/ISM2//Member%20Documents%20/09_10_Age_Grid.pdf

allstar4fun · Member

So sad that everyone even has to worry about someone's age. Why can't gyms just play far?