Nosey People

Date: Sat Sep 27 8:35 PM, 2008

Nosey People

Date: Sat Sep 27 9:05 PM, 2008

I agree. My daughter gets texts from older girls trying to get information about choreographing and music. But we dont stress, because when we hit the floor they will stop asking, as they will know. biggrin

Date: Sat Sep 27 9:25 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I agree. My daughter gets texts from older girls trying to get information about choreographing and music. But we dont stress, because when we hit the floor they will stop asking, as they will know.

So true! This is such a crazy sport, makes our babies tough, and like you said when they put it on the floor, all questions are answered!

Date: Sat Sep 27 11:19 PM, 2008

I cant wait to show it on the floor, then they will knowthey made the wrong choices!! and we will be sitting back having the last laugh biggrin

so go ahead and try to find out what we are doing, one month baby and you will see!

Date: Sun Sep 28 11:01 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I am not trying to start any drama here....but do you think it is right for 20 year olds on Senior teams, to interrogate 12 year olds from other programs, just to get info about their gym. At that age, you are too old to cheer on Senior teams and please leave little girls out of your drama! Get the info you need somewhere else.

Does it really matter what the other team is doing? It's not a sport in where you can prepare your offense/defense to beat the other team. You can't pitch around a certain player. You can't double team someone. You can't stop them from giving the ball to ther star player.

If knowing what someone else does makes you work harder then you really don't deserve to win. If knowing what someone does in a routine makes you change your routine, then you really don't deserve to coach.

Date: Sun Sep 28 11:10 AM, 2008

The point that stands out here to me as a mom is some random 20 year old trying to interact with a 12 year old. Nothing to do with cheer, but that is inappropriate on many levels not having anything at all to do with cheer. 12 year olds aren't supposed to talk to strangers.

Date: Sun Sep 28 11:24 AM, 2008

Do u think its right for coaches from other gyms that are 22-24 year old to call/text children that are 12 and 13 years old to get them to go to his gym?

Date: Sun Sep 28 11:50 AM, 2008

Yeah i think its okay as long as they only reason they are talking is to try and recruit other kids. when the conversation gets more personal than it can be kind of awkward. coaches are supposed to bring new kids to the program. and if calling or texting is the way bring new kids to the team than its fine

Date: Sun Sep 28 11:53 AM, 2008

If the kids are 12 or 13, the coaches should be dealing with the parents.

Date: Sun Sep 28 12:38 PM, 2008

I agree! talk to the parents and then sit down with the child and the parent. if you are trying to recruit the child alone, it looks strange(even if you are harmless!)

Date: Sun Sep 28 12:45 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Yeah i think its okay as long as they only reason they are talking is to try and recruit other kids. when the conversation gets more personal than it can be kind of awkward. coaches are supposed to bring new kids to the program. and if calling or texting is the way bring new kids to the team than its fine

If I found out an adult male was texting my 12 year old, I would report him to the police. There is nothing right or appropriate about that.

Date: Sun Sep 28 12:57 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Yeah i think its okay as long as they only reason they are talking is to try and recruit other kids. when the conversation gets more personal than it can be kind of awkward. coaches are supposed to bring new kids to the program. and if calling or texting is the way bring new kids to the team than its fine

If I found out an adult male was texting my 12 year old, I would report him to the police. There is nothing right or appropriate about that.

You better believe it, let them contact the parents if they want to recruit a child. That is shady, shame on them.

Date: Sun Sep 28 3:42 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I am not trying to start any drama here....but do you think it is right for 20 year olds on Senior teams, to interrogate 12 year olds from other programs, just to get info about their gym. At that age, you are too old to cheer on Senior teams and please leave little girls out of your drama! Get the info you need somewhere else.

Does it really matter what the other team is doing? It's not a sport in where you can prepare your offense/defense to beat the other team. You can't pitch around a certain player. You can't double team someone. You can't stop them from giving the ball to ther star player.

If knowing what someone else does makes you work harder then you really don't deserve to win. If knowing what someone does in a routine makes you change your routine, then you really don't deserve to coach.

i would say, my opinion, that this 20 year old is maybe scared that his team might not be good enough to go against her team. he will find out all the information he can so maybe somehow make his team better to beat the little girls. really childish. unless he plans on bringing down more advanced cheerleaders for maybe a higher level in the program, which is just unfair, legal yes, but what has this come to?

he needs to worry more about his own team instead of other programs

Date: Sun Sep 28 11:45 PM, 2008

Question?: is this about All Star or a Youth ?

Date: Mon Sep 29 3:42 AM, 2008

Outsider opinion...Both? Contacting a youth because he is a weenie who is afraid his routine/team isn't better than the others and trying to figure out how to bolster it?? Just a guess. It is inappropropriate to contact the youth. How he decides to bolster his team based on info obtained, well??? As long as what he does is legal, I guess it is okay though I don't think his approach is ethical or shows any confidence in his own leadership. JMO!

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

I apologize in advance if this sounds jaded or rough...

If any coach or twenty year old male texted or called my daughter seeking information on our program or trying to recruit her over I would be in jail the next day cause I would go and shove the phone straight where the sun don't shine. And I say that knowing that cheerleaders from other programs have tried to recruit her (and knowing I coach for another program)...but when she finishes with them, they won't talk to her no more about anything, let alone cheer...lol.

IMHO too many coaches use kids as pawns in their never ending quest for cheer domination, to get information that they can readily find out if they would just wait for competition, or to try to weaken a competitor. They duck behind the why can't the kids talk defense, when they are the ones that told the kid to call/text/message to try to get information and bring it back to the gym. (the one that irritate me the most was a coach using a kids phone to talk to another kid to try to recruit him...only thing is the coach did not know he was on speakerphone at the time...rofl!!!) What teams do they have, how do they look, what kinda skills they really have...who cares? Wait till competition season and all will be revealed.

On a serious note I feel this is one of the unspoken great divides in this sport. Many gyms feel this behavior is ok especially when it is the larger established gyms picking off from the building gyms, while many others feel they are not regardless to the size of the gym. One day the smaller gyms are going to realize they do not have to put up with this type of behavior or have to resort to the same tactics, will band together and form another organization to better meet their needs. And they won't be able to be bought out by Varsity either.

Edited to add: I realze that there are many people who are 100% innocent in the questions they ask about other teams/programs and you mean no harm or ill will. It is sad that because of the people who operate as above, most programs tend to shut everybody out. I have always maintained that those who want to truly know about our program can get in touch with me privately, as some have.

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 05:22, 2008-09-29

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 06:58, 2008-09-29

Date: Mon Sep 29 8:51 AM, 2008

flipkidjudge wrote:

I apologize in advance if this sounds jaded or rough...

If any coach or twenty year old male texted or called my daughter seeking information on our program or trying to recruit her over I would be in jail the next day cause I would go and shove the phone straight where the sun don't shine. And I say that knowing that cheerleaders from other programs have tried to recruit her (and knowing I coach for another program)...but when she finishes with them, they won't talk to her no more about anything, let alone cheer...lol.

IMHO too many coaches use kids as pawns in their never ending quest for cheer domination, to get information that they can readily find out if they would just wait for competition, or to try to weaken a competitor. They duck behind the why can't the kids talk defense, when they are the ones that told the kid to call/text/message to try to get information and bring it back to the gym. (the one that irritate me the most was a coach using a kids phone to talk to another kid to try to recruit him...only thing is the coach did not know he was on speakerphone at the time...rofl!!!) What teams do they have, how do they look, what kinda skills they really have...who cares? Wait till competition season and all will be revealed.

On a serious note I feel this is one of the unspoken great divides in this sport. Many gyms feel this behavior is ok especially when it is the larger established gyms picking off from the building gyms, while many others feel they are not regardless to the size of the gym. One day the smaller gyms are going to realize they do not have to put up with this type of behavior or have to resort to the same tactics, will band together and form another organization to better meet their needs. And they won't be able to be bought out by Varsity either.

Edited to add: I realze that there are many people who are 100% innocent in the questions they ask about other teams/programs and you mean no harm or ill will. It is sad that because of the people who operate as above, most programs tend to shut everybody out. I have always maintained that those who want to truly know about our program can get in touch with me privately, as some have.

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 05:22, 2008-09-29

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 06:58, 2008-09-29

LOL...OMG, I LOVE YOU ! you ar so right!!!!! AND yes, I do not care male or female...NO coach or even a parent, should be calling kids to get info from them!!! Also the person who started this.....needs to handle it in a different way. This is starting drama, be the adult and call the coach and deal with it head on!

Date: Mon Sep 29 1:51 PM, 2008

I did not start this post but I am glad someone did. I do not believe the person who started this post is causing drama. Young adults texting young children is a serious problem and parents need to wake up and see it. Coaches or adult cheerleaders should not be trying to get into young childrens heads and maniplilate them. My child would not be associated with a gym that does this or allows it. Parents protect your children and do not let adult men text your 12-13 yr old. Or even worse, use a younger kids phone and call or text your child on it.

Date: Mon Sep 29 4:36 PM, 2008

flipkidjudge wrote:

I apologize in advance if this sounds jaded or rough...

If any coach or twenty year old male texted or called my daughter seeking information on our program or trying to recruit her over I would be in jail the next day cause I would go and shove the phone straight where the sun don't shine. And I say that knowing that cheerleaders from other programs have tried to recruit her (and knowing I coach for another program)...but when she finishes with them, they won't talk to her no more about anything, let alone cheer...lol.

IMHO too many coaches use kids as pawns in their never ending quest for cheer domination, to get information that they can readily find out if they would just wait for competition, or to try to weaken a competitor. They duck behind the why can't the kids talk defense, when they are the ones that told the kid to call/text/message to try to get information and bring it back to the gym. (the one that irritate me the most was a coach using a kids phone to talk to another kid to try to recruit him...only thing is the coach did not know he was on speakerphone at the time...rofl!!!) What teams do they have, how do they look, what kinda skills they really have...who cares? Wait till competition season and all will be revealed.

On a serious note I feel this is one of the unspoken great divides in this sport. Many gyms feel this behavior is ok especially when it is the larger established gyms picking off from the building gyms, while many others feel they are not regardless to the size of the gym. One day the smaller gyms are going to realize they do not have to put up with this type of behavior or have to resort to the same tactics, will band together and form another organization to better meet their needs. And they won't be able to be bought out by Varsity either.

Edited to add: I realze that there are many people who are 100% innocent in the questions they ask about other teams/programs and you mean no harm or ill will. It is sad that because of the people who operate as above, most programs tend to shut everybody out. I have always maintained that those who want to truly know about our program can get in touch with me privately, as some have.

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 05:22, 2008-09-29

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 06:58, 2008-09-29

wow you need to seriously get over your self!!

Date: Mon Sep 29 4:55 PM, 2008

No I believe she is right! we need to protect our kids from the negetivity of the industry and highlight the positive. I sense a little guilt from your post. Could you possibly be one of the many trying to recruit children in inappropriate ways????