Crossover Dilema..

Date: Tue Aug 19 9:14 AM, 2008

Crossover Dilema..

Date: Tue Aug 19 9:41 AM, 2008

Wait, how is that fair? If everyone got to decide themselves what team/s they wanted to be on, there would be caos in the gym, I would think.

Date: Tue Aug 19 9:52 AM, 2008

I don't that is fair, if one person can do that, then open it up to the other crossovers as well, and let hem decide which team they would really like to be on.

Date: Tue Aug 19 10:09 AM, 2008

I would say that the team assignments should always be left up to the coach. Perhaps the parent cannot afford 2 competition fees this year. Or a harder school schedule will not allow for additional practices.

The coach should decide which team would benefit the gym most. Not benefit the cheerleader but the gym.

As parents we tend to focus on individuals, aka our children. The coaches should focus on what is best for the majority of individuals, aka the team.

However, This can also go the other way as well. Coaches need to think about what is best for their athletes. Please do not say that school comes in one breath and then require athletes to be on 1, 2 or 3 teams before allowing them to be on that level 5 team of their dreams. Kids are smatter than that and can see right through it.

Date: Tue Aug 19 10:46 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I would say that the team assignments should always be left up to the coach. Perhaps the parent cannot afford 2 competition fees this year. Or a harder school schedule will not allow for additional practices.

The coach should decide which team would benefit the gym most. Not benefit the cheerleader but the gym. Does this include keeping kids down a level? I know I'm not paying a gym to teach my kid nothing the whole year. If I wanted that I would go to pop warner.

As parents we tend to focus on individuals, aka our children. The coaches should focus on what is best for the majority of individuals, aka the team. I think this depends on how many kids are apart of the equation.

However, This can also go the other way as well. Coaches need to think about what is best for their athletes. Please do not say that school comes in one breath and then require athletes to be on 1, 2 or 3 teams before allowing them to be on that level 5 team of their dreams. Kids are smatter than that and can see right through it.

Date: Tue Aug 19 11:02 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I would say that the team assignments should always be left up to the coach. Perhaps the parent cannot afford 2 competition fees this year. Or a harder school schedule will not allow for additional practices.

The coach should decide which team would benefit the gym most. Not benefit the cheerleader but the gym. Does this include keeping kids down a level? I know I'm not paying a gym to teach my kid nothing the whole year. If I wanted that I would go to pop warner. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear...I would think a coach would put a child at the appropriate level for their skill. But the coach should be the one to evealuate that level not the parent. As parents we tend to see things through rose-colored glasses.

As parents we tend to focus on individuals, aka our children. The coaches should focus on what is best for the majority of individuals, aka the team. I think this depends on how many kids are apart of the equation. Are you asking for speical treatment for your child. And if so, is that fair?

However, This can also go the other way as well. Coaches need to think about what is best for their athletes. Please do not say that school comes in one breath and then require athletes to be on 1, 2 or 3 teams before allowing them to be on that level 5 team of their dreams. Kids are smatter than that and can see right through it.

Do not get me wrong. I think we agree on this. But I feel it is the coaches decision on what is best for all the team. Not what is best for one child.

Date: Tue Aug 19 11:05 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I would say that the team assignments should always be left up to the coach. Perhaps the parent cannot afford 2 competition fees this year. Or a harder school schedule will not allow for additional practices.

The coach should decide which team would benefit the gym most. Not benefit the cheerleader but the gym.

As parents we tend to focus on individuals, aka our children. The coaches should focus on what is best for the majority of individuals, aka the team.

However, This can also go the other way as well. Coaches need to think about what is best for their athletes. Please do not say that school comes in one breath and then require athletes to be on 1, 2 or 3 teams before allowing them to be on that level 5 team of their dreams. Kids are smatter than that and can see right through it.

This was suppose to say "School comes first" in one breath, etc.....

Date: Tue Aug 19 12:02 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Do not get me wrong. I think we agree on this. But I feel it is the coaches decision on what is best for all the team. Not what is best for one child.

This is where gyms and parents may never agree. Parents want what is best for their child. Of course they want a team and level where their child is going to be challenged, where their child will learn new skills. Why else pay all that money? You tell a parent they're going to pay $3 - $4k to learn the value of teamwork and they'll tell you that AYSO down the street will charge them fifty bucks.

On the flip side, gyms want to put kids where they will help the team be competitive and not hurt the team's numbers in terms of level. eg., if a child has a round off back handspring tuck and is working on standing tucks and layouts, then ideally that child should be on a level 3 team. If the gym has a level 3, 4 and 5 team and athletes to fill each, then the gym will want to place the athlete on the level 3 team. The problem the gym faces is that athlete can go down the road about 10 minutes and find a gym that will place that same athlete on their level 4 team.

The only time its a perfect fit is if you are clearly a level 5 cheerleader or if you are brand new to the world of cheer and have no athletic ability at all and are happy with level 1.

What I'm wondering is, will cheer ever venture into the same system that gymnastics is in? You train one level but compete the level below?

Date: Tue Aug 19 12:46 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I would say that the team assignments should always be left up to the coach. Perhaps the parent cannot afford 2 competition fees this year. Or a harder school schedule will not allow for additional practices.

The coach should decide which team would benefit the gym most. Not benefit the cheerleader but the gym. Does this include keeping kids down a level? I know I'm not paying a gym to teach my kid nothing the whole year. If I wanted that I would go to pop warner. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear...I would think a coach would put a child at the appropriate level for their skill. But the coach should be the one to evealuate that level not the parent. As parents we tend to see things through rose-colored glasses.

try....coach wanted kid on lower level team and these eyes have coached in So Cal before.

As parents we tend to focus on individuals, aka our children. The coaches should focus on what is best for the majority of individuals, aka the team. I think this depends on how many kids are apart of the equation. Are you asking for speical treatment for your child. And if so, is that fair?

However, This can also go the other way as well. Coaches need to think about what is best for their athletes. Please do not say that school comes in one breath and then require athletes to be on 1, 2 or 3 teams before allowing them to be on that level 5 team of their dreams. Kids are smatter than that and can see right through it.

Do not get me wrong. I think we agree on this. But I feel it is the coaches decision on what is best for all the team. Not what is best for one child.

Date: Tue Aug 19 2:12 PM, 2008

Was this the girls choice to leave the team or was it something else this sounds very fishy. Somethings up...What gives????

Date: Tue Aug 19 5:27 PM, 2008

I think she should have to compete with Jrs and if she wants to cross over, then Sr's is where she does that.

Date: Tue Aug 19 9:22 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Was this the girls choice to leave the team or was it something else this sounds very fishy. Somethings up...What gives????

Mommie's boyfriend has $$$$$$ and that talks at this gym! I think it's more than that, though. People are talking.

Date: Wed Aug 20 8:08 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Do not get me wrong. I think we agree on this. But I feel it is the coaches decision on what is best for all the team. Not what is best for one child.

This is where gyms and parents may never agree. Parents want what is best for their child. Of course they want a team and level where their child is going to be challenged, where their child will learn new skills. Why else pay all that money? You tell a parent they're going to pay $3 - $4k to learn the value of teamwork and they'll tell you that AYSO down the street will charge them fifty bucks.

On the flip side, gyms want to put kids where they will help the team be competitive and not hurt the team's numbers in terms of level. eg., if a child has a round off back handspring tuck and is working on standing tucks and layouts, then ideally that child should be on a level 3 team. If the gym has a level 3, 4 and 5 team and athletes to fill each, then the gym will want to place the athlete on the level 3 team. The problem the gym faces is that athlete can go down the road about 10 minutes and find a gym that will place that same athlete on their level 4 team.

The only time its a perfect fit is if you are clearly a level 5 cheerleader or if you are brand new to the world of cheer and have no athletic ability at all and are happy with level 1.

What I'm wondering is, will cheer ever venture into the same system that gymnastics is in? You train one level but compete the level below?

I agree, with the way cheerleading is a customer oriented business, if the gym needs to keep kids to pay the bills, they will place them ont he team that the child will be happy on. This is where you see athletes on a level 4 team without a back handspring. The kid is happy the parent is happy and if they compete against themselves, they can call themselves National Champions.

The other thing I've noticed is that the parents who are new to cheer seem to be the ones with the most gripes. A parent walked on the floor at practice the other day and was trying to coach her daughter and the other athletes how to stunt, and this lady has had no cheer experience. It was horrible. The coach had to go get an owner to get the lady off the floor. First year cheer mom who thought she knew it all. First year mom's also want to know why their daughter isn't the best in the gym yet it seems also.

I would like to think that cheerleading could go to a system like gymnastics but I do not forsee this happening anytime soon.

Date: Wed Aug 20 8:46 AM, 2008

That will never happen. Some parents don't see Allstar cheerleading as something that is a big commitment.

Date: Wed Aug 20 10:39 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

That will never happen. Some parents don't see Allstar cheerleading as something that is a big commitment.

Well that is what Pop Warner is for. That is only a 4-month commitment.

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

That will never happen. Some parents don't see Allstar cheerleading as something that is a big commitment.

Well that is what Pop Warner is for. That is only a 4-month commitment.

Perhaps some of the problem is that somne people want All Star bling, glitz, uniforms, routines, travel and comptitiveness for rec league prices.

Date: Wed Aug 20 12:25 PM, 2008

flipkidjudge wrote:

Perhaps some of the problem is that somne people want All Star bling, glitz, uniforms, routines, travel and comptitiveness for rec league prices.

A-Frickin'-Men

Date: Wed Aug 20 4:26 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

flipkidjudge wrote:

Perhaps some of the problem is that somne people want All Star bling, glitz, uniforms, routines, travel and comptitiveness for rec league prices.

A-Frickin'-Men

Wow, ok!

Date: Thu Aug 21 10:12 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

What do you guys think about an ahtlete that is on an age appropriate Junior team (and has been on that team last year, and so-far this year)...suddenly deciding that she now only wants to do the senior team she crosses over to?

I know you're not talking about me, but you just described how I feel about my daughter's situation. She got put on a senior team last minute, and she LOVES it so much. And I HATE having to go to the gym 4 nights a week and want to pull the plug ASAP, but I can't because I know they would take her off the senior team and she would be stuck with the junior team. She loves her friends on the junior team, but the senior team is much more exciting for her due to choreography and flying. So, mumble, groan, I am stuck with torture for the next year. I can totally see something like this happening as we are in that same situation.

I have empathy. No boyfriend though. Just hubby of 19 years. smile

Danny · Senior Member

This may seem like I'm joking but I'm not. Next year cheergyms.com is considering letting every family straight up choose which team they'd like to be on. Levels 1-4.

We would announce what teams we will field and then you can simply sign up and be on that team or teams. We're thinking that maybe when the ultimate choice is put in the customer's hand that the correct choice will be made. And if it isn't then you know what? Why is it such a big deal? I feel like a little bit of fun needs to be brought back to the sport.

In addition...the constant struggle is that the coaching staffs basically want their athletes to work hard, never complain, never miss practice, always be a team player and trust them without question. While all along most athletes (MOST not all) want to ride the wave of a good team, come and go as they please and wait for the staff to force them to improve at a level they're not ready for.

Why fight it? Sign up for a level 4 team with your frogged over backhandspring! The Pizza Parties are gonna be swell!

Ok well maybe there was a bit of joking in there.