Junior level at worlds?

Date: Sun Aug 3 3:30 PM, 2008

Junior level at worlds?

Date: Sun Aug 3 6:03 PM, 2008

juniors have been able to compete at worlds the past 2 years and the team not the cheerleader has to be level 5. You can only have a bhs and still compete at worlds if your on a level 5 team.

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

Anonymous wrote:
... You can only have a bhs and still compete at worlds if your on a level 5 team. ...

Is that the case this year? I know in years past a cheerleader had to qualify as a level five cheerleader in at least one of three sections. Has that changed?

Date: Sun Aug 3 8:37 PM, 2008

Tamara wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
... You can only have a bhs and still compete at worlds if your on a level 5 team. ...
Is that the case this year? I know in years past a cheerleader had to qualify as a level five cheerleader in at least one of three sections. Has that changed?

im not sure about the rule but there was a girl on my team that didnt even have a bhs and she competed with us at worlds

Date: Sun Aug 3 8:39 PM, 2008

NEW: All CHEER participants are no longer required to be credentialed up to Level 5 (5

stars) in at least one category (tumbling, stunts, tosses).

https://secure.usasf.net/Documents/Worlds%20Info/09%20Worlds/2009_Cheerleading_Worlds_General_Information_7-1[1].pdf

Date: Sun Aug 3 9:05 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Tamara wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
... You can only have a bhs and still compete at worlds if your on a level 5 team. ...
Is that the case this year? I know in years past a cheerleader had to qualify as a level five cheerleader in at least one of three sections. Has that changed?

im not sure about the rule but there was a girl on my team that didnt even have a bhs and she competed with us at worlds

Was she a base?

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

Anonymous wrote:
im not sure about the rule but there was a girl on my team that didnt even have a bhs and she competed with us at worlds

Yes, but that didn't make the cheerleader not a level five cheerleader, she had to have been a level five flier or base.

Anonymous wrote:
NEW: All CHEER participants are no longer required to be credentialed up to Level 5 (5
stars) in at least one category (tumbling, stunts, tosses).

https://secure.usasf.net/Documents/Worlds%20Info/09%20Worlds/2009_Cheerleading_Worlds_General_Information_7-1[1].pdf

Huh. I wonder why this is. I liked this rule.

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

Beyond the credentialing Issue (which is a discussion in and of itself) you could have a child on a World's team returning from injury. They may have been released for certain things but not for tumbling. Do you chance re injury if a child has not had the chance to get back conditioned and relearn muscle memory, even if it is World's? A child's tumbling may be inconsistent so the coaches decide rather than take a sure deduction on form or busts by having them throw it, to remove it, thereby causing fans to speculate if they really have it.

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

flipkidjudge wrote:
... Beyond the credentialing Issue (which is a discussion in and of itself) ...

I wasn't directly involved in the process; however, from the stories I've heard I get this.

flipkidjudge wrote:
... you could have a child on a World's team returning from injury. They may have been released for certain things but not for tumbling. Do you chance re injury if a child has not had the chance to get back conditioned and relearn muscle memory, even if it is World's? A child's tumbling may be inconsistent so the coaches decide rather than take a sure deduction on form or busts by having them throw it, to remove it, thereby causing fans to speculate if they really have it. ...

I'm not sure I'm following you here. Are you saying that by getting rid of the qualification, it allows the injured cheerleader to water down their tumbling when in years past that same cheerleader wouldn't be able to?

-- Edited by Tamara at 08:25, 2008-08-04

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

Tamara wrote:

flipkidjudge wrote:
... Beyond the credentialing Issue (which is a discussion in and of itself) ...
I wasn't directly involved in the process; however, from the stories I've heard I get this.
flipkidjudge wrote:
... you could have a child on a World's team returning from injury. They may have been released for certain things but not for tumbling. Do you chance re injury if a child has not had the chance to get back conditioned and relearn muscle memory, even if it is World's? A child's tumbling may be inconsistent so the coaches decide rather than take a sure deduction on form or busts by having them throw it, to remove it, thereby causing fans to speculate if they really have it. ...
I'm not sure I'm following you here. Are you saying that by getting rid of the qualification, it allows the injured cheerleader to water down their tumbling when in years past that same cheerleader wouldn't be able to?

-- Edited by Tamara at 08:25, 2008-08-04

Sorry I was unclear. Regardless of the qualification, a gym could choose not tumble a child who had previously been injured. That would/could give the appearnce to some they could not do certain skills when in reality they were coming back from injury.

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

flipkidjudge wrote:
Sorry I was unclear. Regardless of the qualification, a gym could choose not tumble a child who had previously been injured. That would/could give the appearnce to some they could not do certain skills when in reality they were coming back from injury.

Oh! I think I get cha. You were responding to the poster who stated their friend who couldn't do a bhs was on a World's team. Sorry, I thought you were adding details to why USASF would get rid of the qualification process.

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

Tamara wrote:

flipkidjudge wrote:
Sorry I was unclear. Regardless of the qualification, a gym could choose not tumble a child who had previously been injured. That would/could give the appearnce to some they could not do certain skills when in reality they were coming back from injury.

Oh! I think I get cha. You were responding to the poster who stated their friend who couldn't do a bhs was on a World's team. Sorry, I thought you were adding details to why USASF would get rid of the qualification process.

That's it. I have thoughts as to why USASF would get rid of the qualification process to, but I will pm them to you if you want. I was around when they did the same thing in the gymnastics world so there are some definite similar things going on.