Coaches that gym hop.

Date: Thu Apr 3 8:33 PM, 2008

Coaches that gym hop.

Date: Thu Apr 3 8:44 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:
What legal rights does a previous gym owner have when a confidentially trust is broken?

For example, a coach leaves your gym and still remains in verbal contact with the cheerleader sand their parents from the previous gym. Phases the new program and what they have to offer and down plays the previous gym's services.

Do you all know of a coach like this???

Yes there are coaches that gym hop and in some cases it is warranted. However if they have been to all the local gyms in the area this is probably a RED FLAG. Some coaches think the grass is greener on the other side just as do some cheerleaders. In some cases it is greener and in other cases it is not.

I have seen coaches gym hop and yes we all know who they are. Pretty soon there will be no place for them to go because they are burning bridges at every stop. They smile and you smile back just to keep it professional. Gym owners are aware of who these "hoppers" are. This is so sad but true.

Date: Thu Apr 3 8:48 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

What legal rights does a previous gym owner have when a confidentially trust is broken?

For example, a coach leaves your gym and still remains in verbal contact with the cheerleader sand their parents from the previous gym. Phases the new program and what they have to offer and down plays the previous gym's services.

Do you all know of a coach like this???

It is fine if you still talk with the cheerleaders and coaches. Just as if a cheerleader left they would still talk with the cheerleaders that remained. Shame on that coach if they are trying to take cheerleaders to their new program. Some coaches dont have morals. What comes around goes around so if they are doing this it will come back to them.

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:04 PM, 2008

I've seen it happen quite often. We even have coaches that cheer for other gyms because they offer Open Teams. It's a small community, I've learned to live with it after 7 years. Drop some names, I wanna hear some hot gossip!

In all honesty, it's bad business. It's a gyms fault, they do not have these coaches sign non-competes. I believe that's what it's called. sorry brain fart.

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:05 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What legal rights does a previous gym owner have when a confidentially trust is broken?

For example, a coach leaves your gym and still remains in verbal contact with the cheerleader sand their parents from the previous gym. Phases the new program and what they have to offer and down plays the previous gym's services.

Do you all know of a coach like this???
It is fine if you still talk with the cheerleaders and coaches. Just as if a cheerleader left they would still talk with the cheerleaders that remained. Shame on that coach if they are trying to take cheerleaders to their new program. Some coaches dont have morals. What comes around goes around so if they are doing this it will come back to them.

this is exactly what is happening. The interesting thing is that this coach really thinks the prior owners are clueless. What is even more silly is that most of the communication is in writing. The coach has created paper trail.

Is this something that the previous gym owner and the new gym owner should talk over. The new gym owner is new to the All-Star scene and probably doesn't know what she/he is stepping into. Or does the previous gym owner just sit back and wait for this coach to burn her/his bridge at the new gym?

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:07 PM, 2008

.... Interesting topic, I know exactly where this is going. I think coaches should HAVE to sign contracts and there should be a "no competition clause" in them for at least a certain number of miles and/or years. It's really sad that there is a coach that is doing this now. It's one thing to stay in contact after leaving a gym, but you should never open a gym/share confidential values from the previous gym Its so tacky the coach looses respect (whether he/she realize it), and honestly Karma is not a nice person! However, I see this topic getting out of control, so please don't mention names.

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:10 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

.... Interesting topic, I know exactly where this is going. I think coaches should HAVE to sign contracts and there should be a "no competition clause" in them for at least a certain number of miles and/or years. It's really sad that there is a coach that is doing this now. It's one thing to stay in contact after leaving a gym, but you should never open a gym/share confidential values from the previous gym Its so tacky the coach looses respect (whether he/she realize it), and honestly Karma is not a nice person! However, I see this topic getting out of control, so please don't mention names.

you have my word, no names will be mentioned here.

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:11 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What legal rights does a previous gym owner have when a confidentially trust is broken?

For example, a coach leaves your gym and still remains in verbal contact with the cheerleader sand their parents from the previous gym. Phases the new program and what they have to offer and down plays the previous gym's services.

Do you all know of a coach like this???
It is fine if you still talk with the cheerleaders and coaches. Just as if a cheerleader left they would still talk with the cheerleaders that remained. Shame on that coach if they are trying to take cheerleaders to their new program. Some coaches dont have morals. What comes around goes around so if they are doing this it will come back to them.

this is exactly what is happening. The interesting thing is that this coach really thinks the prior owners are clueless. What is even more silly is that most of the communication is in writing. The coach has created paper trail.

Is this something that the previous gym owner and the new gym owner should talk over. The new gym owner is new to the All-Star scene and probably doesn't know what she/he is stepping into. Or does the previous gym owner just sit back and wait for this coach to burn her/his bridge at the new gym?

Do whatever you think is best for your business. Is it hurting you as a business? Is it something illegal? I am sure that they don't think the previous owners know. The allstar community is way too small not to know what's going on. Maybe they just don't care that you know.

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:20 PM, 2008

have your coaches sign a confidentiality contract and non compete agreement(which is legal for up to 30 miles in the state of California for up to a year)....

Also the confidentiality agreement will allow for gym owners to collect money for employees who break this binding contract. In the confidentiality agreement you have to be specific right down to trade secrets, customers, and even personal matters of the gym and children. I had this when I had my gym and I did have an employee break the confidentiality agreement and it held up in court to the tune of quite a few thousands of dollars.

Get a family lawyer program or business program for your computer and use the non compete and confidentiality contracts... it is worth it.

Good luck and you want to trust everyone but you can't and unfortunately this business allows for so many to begin a program and it can be cut throat but it is so worth it.

One more thing this will also keep employees from discussing business and personal matters with your parents (you know for those employee who like to talk or even volunteers)

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:33 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

What legal rights does a previous gym owner have when a confidentially trust is broken?

For example, a coach leaves your gym and still remains in verbal contact with the cheerleader sand their parents from the previous gym. Phases the new program and what they have to offer and down plays the previous gym's services.

Do you all know of a coach like this???

You basically have no legal rights unless you had that employee sign a contract.

AirborneOwner · GURU

I have personal experience with this topic. When I decided to leave my old gym and open Airborne I dealt with a non compete clause. When I took it to my attorney he stated that this specific non compete was not legally binding. I almost want to state that he said that non competes were not legally binding in the state of California. When looking it up just now I found this:

'Unlike the situation in other states, non-compete agreements are illegal in California and against public policy. (California Business and Professions Code Section 16600).'

Even though it was not legally binding I still took as more of an honor agreement and opened Airborne outside of the mileage that was stated.

This is a very sticky subject and it really comes down to how each person and gym handles it. Their is nothing wrong with making a living in the proffesion that you love. In the end, your true self will shine through. It is never easy to leave the kids and gym that taught you so much. I know it was not easy for me. I will always say that I learned so much about myself and business from my former owner. As long as you treat the situation with dignity and respect you can't go wrong. People will say what they will, instead of feeding into it, step up and tell your side while still being honest as you can be.

Goodluck to anyone that leaves a gym and starts a new adventure!!!!

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:35 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What legal rights does a previous gym owner have when a confidentially trust is broken?

For example, a coach leaves your gym and still remains in verbal contact with the cheerleader sand their parents from the previous gym. Phases the new program and what they have to offer and down plays the previous gym's services.

Do you all know of a coach like this???

You basically have no legal rights unless you had that employee sign a contract.

That's understandable. But should the new gym owner be warned about the possiblity of this happening to them when this coach burns the next bridge?

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:37 PM, 2008

How funny that this is a topic today. I happen to be a parent of a cheerleader who received an email, of all things, recruiting my daughter to come to her NEW gym. Dang this all-star world is a bit crazy. AND, you can bet I am deleting that rediculous nonsense. I am extremely happen where I am and would never follow a coach that plays like this.

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:46 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

How funny that this is a topic today. I happen to be a parent of a cheerleader who received an email, of all things, recruiting my daughter to come to her NEW gym. Dang this all-star world is a bit crazy. AND, you can bet I am deleting that rediculous nonsense. I am extremely happen where I am and would never follow a coach that plays like this.

Sounds like a similar situation me and several other parents went through with a gym we left because the program director was just a liar, cheat and a big b, over 1/2 of the gym left and they kept her for 1 more year, After a depressing losing season for them, they got rid of her and then sent letters to all of us parents asking us for our girls back. pahlease!

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:50 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

How funny that this is a topic today. I happen to be a parent of a cheerleader who received an email, of all things, recruiting my daughter to come to her NEW gym. Dang this all-star world is a bit crazy. AND, you can bet I am deleting that rediculous nonsense. I am extremely happen where I am and would never follow a coach that plays like this.

OK. I was only presuming who or which gym. Your statement about receiving an email wink

, now I know, confirmed my presumption. It's a doggy world out there. Business is business.

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:50 PM, 2008

If an employee agrees they have made a committment not only to the gym but to cheerleaders. It is just horrible how some coaches (take note I SAID SOME not all) can take advantages of a gym reap all the wonderful benefits them move on to rip off another gym all while trashing the gym on their way out the door and then have the audacity to blame the trashing on others. It is a shameless act and yes there are people out there who do this. You have probably had this coach in your gym as they have been everywhere. Some people just dont know a good thing when they see one. They are always looking for getting more more more. I know of a coach who is doing this now and it is a terrible.

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:51 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What legal rights does a previous gym owner have when a confidentially trust is broken?

For example, a coach leaves your gym and still remains in verbal contact with the cheerleader sand their parents from the previous gym. Phases the new program and what they have to offer and down plays the previous gym's services.

Do you all know of a coach like this???

You basically have no legal rights unless you had that employee sign a contract.

That's understandable. But should the new gym owner be warned about the possiblity of this happening to them when this coach burns the next bridge?

If you feel that is your duty, then go ahead.

You have to realize if you are producing a "good product" then you don't have to worry about your cliental going anywhere. Just like the previous post (parent) said, she just deleted the email and moved on.

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:53 PM, 2008

I believe our gym is much better without this coach. Pass the problem on to the next cheer team. Sad for the new team but they will soon learn and good for us we got rid of one of the biggest problems in our gym.

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:54 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

What legal rights does a previous gym owner have when a confidentially trust is broken?

For example, a coach leaves your gym and still remains in verbal contact with the cheerleader sand their parents from the previous gym. Phases the new program and what they have to offer and down plays the previous gym's services.

Do you all know of a coach like this???

You basically have no legal rights unless you had that employee sign a contract.

That's understandable. But should the new gym owner be warned about the possiblity of this happening to them when this coach burns the next bridge?

If you feel that is your duty, then go ahead.

You have to realize if you are producing a "good product" then you don't have to worry about your cliental going anywhere. Just like the previous post (parent) said, she just deleted the email and moved on.

True, and the fortunate thing is our gym doesn't have to worry. smile

Date: Thu Apr 3 9:57 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I believe our gym is much better without this coach. Pass the problem on to the next cheer team. Sad for the new team but they will soon learn and good for us we got rid of one of the biggest problems in our gym.

Please tell us more? It kinda sound like a coach we had this past summer.