tumbling coach who cant tumble

Date: Thu Mar 13 9:58 PM, 2008

tumbling coach who cant tumble

Date: Thu Mar 13 10:04 PM, 2008

Old cliche:

those who can't do....teach. (or those who can no longer do because of old tired bones)

also, just because you can DO it doesn't mean you can coach it either.

Date: Thu Mar 13 10:10 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

we have a tumbling coach who cant tumble. my mom says its not a big deal but i dont like it. how can he tell us how to do stuff when he cant do it either or really explain it is that even right

Don't underestimate the individuals who can't do the skills for you. The real question is, r u learning? I doubt Morton from cheergyms hits a scorpion then throws a double down but he can sure teach it! haha : )

Date: Thu Mar 13 10:19 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

we have a tumbling coach who cant tumble. my mom says its not a big deal but i dont like it. how can he tell us how to do stuff when he cant do it either or really explain it is that even right

Don't underestimate the individuals who can't do the skills for you. The real question is, r u learning? I doubt Morton from cheergyms hits a scorpion then throws a double down but he can sure teach it! haha : )

That is so true. But I would love to see him do one!

Date: Fri Mar 14 12:54 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

we have a tumbling coach who cant tumble. my mom says its not a big deal but i dont like it. how can he tell us how to do stuff when he cant do it either or really explain it is that even right

Don't underestimate the individuals who can't do the skills for you. The real question is, r u learning? I doubt Morton from cheergyms hits a scorpion then throws a double down but he can sure teach it! haha : )

That is so true. But I would love to see him do one!

I have seen it !!!!! biggrin

LOVE YA Morton! biggrin

Date: Fri Mar 14 5:29 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

we have a tumbling coach who cant tumble. my mom says its not a big deal but i dont like it. how can he tell us how to do stuff when he cant do it either or really explain it is that even right

Bela Karolyi (the world famous gymnastics coach) tried gymnastics once, he fell off the pommel horse and broke his arm and never tried it again, but he can most definitely coach gymnastics.

Date: Fri Mar 14 6:52 AM, 2008

We have that same problem...as well as not having enough coaches to teach tumbling classes!
Some of our tumbling classes have 15+ with only ONE coach :(
It seems the only way we get any "quality' coaching is when we pay for privates. Oh, well.

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

Ok so were you in my gym last night while I was doing an aerial? ROFL!!!

I do not tumble much anymore due to age (44) injuries (Two bad meniscus, a bad ankle, and recent a partially torn left bicep). However I have been teaching for years. I could never do a Tkatchev or a Triple Full but I sure could teach and spot them. I was a Level 2 gymnast back in the 70's/80's but coached up to the Elite level in Gymnastics.

I never cheered a day in my life..although I was recruited to do so in college since I could tumble, but think I do a pretty decent job at what I do.

Also there are many who can tumble but have no clue on how to teach how to do the skill. They just know how to "throw it" harder and faster. At some point you have to know how to teach it not just do it...if you are going to be successful in this field.

And back in the day I could throw fulls and double backs and had a wicked Russian front thru to Arabian through to double back pass...remember this was the '80's. (Never was that great at twisting) I still through a standing tuck every now and then to freak the kids out at the gym, but leave the power stuff to the young boys...lol.

Date: Fri Mar 14 8:25 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

we have a tumbling coach who cant tumble. my mom says its not a big deal but i dont like it. how can he tell us how to do stuff when he cant do it either or really explain it is that even right

Bela Karolyi (the world famous gymnastics coach) tried gymnastics once, he fell off the pommel horse and broke his arm and never tried it again, but he can most definitely coach gymnastics.

Well, that should answer the question right there. Bela Karolyi is the best there is. Case closed!!!

Date: Fri Mar 14 8:28 AM, 2008

we must be from the same gym smile

. one of our tumbling coaches we just forund out cant tumble,but the girls are still learning and tumbling and I feel we have strong tumblers. so its understandable as a young person to feel like your coaches should be able to do it to. but some of the best coaches are those who love what they teach not nec. because they themselves are good at it... but because they love it so much. so your concern is legit,but as long as you are getting what you need that is great. Maybe you are my kid and we had this conversation already wink

just kidding. but trust your coaches and your parents and enjoy being a kid and the sport you love. if you never knew this person could not tumble, have you learned from him or her already.

Date: Fri Mar 14 8:28 AM, 2008

flipkidjudge, who do you coach for? I can't see the uniforms on your pix. Just curious. You comments are pretty straight forward on this board. Props to ya.

Date: Fri Mar 14 8:43 AM, 2008

What is the feeling of young coaches teaching young kids how to tumble? Kids that are that have no skill and kids that have ready for 5 skills?

Date: Fri Mar 14 8:48 AM, 2008

I don't believe that you have to be able to do to teach.

I cant throw an arabian through to double but I sure can tell you whats wrong with yours. wink

Also I think it depends on what kind of a learner you are.
If you're a visual learner, than of course you might find a problem with having a coach that cant show you. But hands-on(sorry I forgot the actual term for it) and auditory learners probably wont have any issues either way.

Date: Fri Mar 14 8:49 AM, 2008

I feel it's ok for them to teach the tiny age group, 3-5. Forward rolls, backward rolls, jumping, donkey kicks. But I feel from 6 and up should be taught by someone that is over 18. JMO

Date: Fri Mar 14 8:51 AM, 2008

I don't believe that you have to be able to do to teach either. But I feel you should have some kind of background or experience in your life, have it be 10 years ago or whatever.

Date: Fri Mar 14 8:53 AM, 2008

flipkidjudge wrote:

Ok so were you in my gym last night while I was doing an aerial? ROFL!!!

I do not tumble much anymore due to age (44) injuries (Two bad meniscus, a bad ankle, and recent a partially torn left bicep). However I have been teaching for years. I could never do a Tkatchev or a Triple Full but I sure could teach and spot them. I was a Level 2 gymnast back in the 70's/80's but coached up to the Elite level in Gymnastics.

I never cheered a day in my life..although I was recruited to do so in college since I could tumble, but think I do a pretty decent job at what I do.

Also there are many who can tumble but have no clue on how to teach how to do the skill. They just know how to "throw it" harder and faster. At some point you have to know how to teach it not just do it...if you are going to be successful in this field.

And back in the day I could throw fulls and double backs and had a wicked Russian front thru to Arabian through to double back pass...remember this was the '80's. (Never was that great at twisting) I still through a standing tuck every now and then to freak the kids out at the gym, but leave the power stuff to the young boys...lol.

I completly agree that some of these coaches just know how to throw the skill but don't know how to break it down and go back to the foundation drills.

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

flipkidjudge, who do you coach for? I can't see the uniforms on your pix. Just curious. You comments are pretty straight forward on this board. Props to ya.

Tumbling Director for www.elite-cheer.com

That is because I am not trying to climb any ladders, look for promotions, speaking engagements etc. I realize my time is limited and the best use of that time is to teach the students and staff I have so that knowledge does not vanish when I am off the scene.

I also had a no nonsense tell it like it is whether you like it or not coach. He trained me and gave me a chance when I was in college to work for him when I didn't have a resume to back me up. He taught me that you can learn to teach anything if you really want to.

And perhaps just maybe running churches and church organzations for the past twenty years have thickened ny skin to some of the crazy things I have been called on other message boards for speaking my mind. Running those other organizations have also taught me not to run with the crowd because everyone else does.

-- Edited by flipkidjudge at 10:29, 2008-03-14

Date: Fri Mar 14 5:09 PM, 2008

And just becuase you can tumble doesn't mean you can teach it....you see all these male coaches teaching flyers-- it's not like they all fly!!!! Some of the nations best cheer coaches are males....

Pixie · Senior Member

Many gyms have coaches that are certified in each level of instruction. Does that mean that they can perform the skills in each level? No. It means that they have had instruction and have passed some sort of criteria that certifies that they can teach it safely.

If you have concerns, check with the gym director and/or owner and find out if the tumbling coach is certified and at what level.

(Not being a coach I have no idea what exactly the criteria is.)

Date: Thu Mar 20 2:48 PM, 2008

A perfect example is BELA KAROLYI!!!!