World's, just another Level 5 competition?

Date: Mon Feb 25 7:11 PM, 2008

World's, just another Level 5 competition?

Date: Mon Feb 25 7:36 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

It seems as though Worlds bids aren't as special as they should be. We have teams placing 3rd or 4th in their division and they still get a bid...I think they are giving too many bids away.

We now have teams that have bids where less than half their team has the level 5 tumbling skills (fulls).

Take GSSA for example: Most of the level 5 teams going already have a bid....so that means that the other teams going will get one, even if they place 3rd or 4th?

What are your opinions?

Well this is an interesting topic. Sometimes I do believe that there are to many options in getting a bid. But to say teams like Starz Extreme, Airborne, OC and Nor Cal Coed dont deserve bids is not very nice. If you break down the routines from each team I think you will find that on a percentage that Airborne has more level 5 tumbling then the other teams above, Stars Extreme has an amazing pyramid, OC has a clean routine with some pretty fulls and Nor Cal elite coed has great baskets and elite sections. To me anyone of those teams would represent gssa well at worlds. Every team can work on improving skills , does that mean that they dont deserve a bid?

Date: Mon Feb 25 7:56 PM, 2008

I think this whole topic or idea is funny. Of course it's just another level 5 competition...that's what it is, a level 5 competition. I never have and probably never will understand why people complain about the competition being cheapened by teams that are not as talented getting bids. In the end the best teams are there and the best teams win.

Date: Mon Feb 25 8:36 PM, 2008

I'm not sure how big cheerleading is in all states but wouldn't it be great to have a competition that each state can only send like one or two teams?

Date: Mon Feb 25 8:42 PM, 2008

I think each state should send one team in each division.

Date: Mon Feb 25 8:57 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I think each state should send one team in each division.

Ya! That sounds like a great idea. That would be 50 teams in each division...PLENTY!!!

Date: Tue Feb 26 12:33 AM, 2008

For those wanting more opinions on this topic check out Worlds vs Nationals touches on many of the same points.

While Im here Ill go ahead and drop my opinion on this topic. As Worlds has progressed and the USASF has attempted to include more teams every year in participating in this great competition I am starting to see a trend that our sport has already gone through. For all us "old timmers" who have been involved in the sport for more than 10 years, you may remember a time where you actually had to go to a regional competition and actually had to recieve a score that was high enough to earn you a bid to compete at nationals. And where are we now? Oh thats right now we are just able to register for "nationals" where you may only compete against a few teams if anyone at all. I give props to the major and original companies NCA, UCA, and USA for only giving one competition a year the title of "Nationals" where a lot of the "newer" companies are hosting 3 or 5 nationals a year. That term on here has been debated and discussed to no end. But getting back to my main point, look at the process Worlds has come to. The Paid Bid, Partial Paid Bid and At Large Bid. I understand the USASF has a level system for companies to reach to be able to give out so many bids and with every Paid and Partial Paid bid they get so many At Large Bids, But seriously the way its going in a few years are teams just going to be able to register for Worlds? No disrespect, but at USA Nationals last weekend a last place team got an At Large Bid. I think the time has come where if we want Worlds to be a competition where the elite of our sport are comming together to compete we need to start stream lining score sheets and companies need to get on the same page and have minimum requirements of getting to Worlds wether it be by score or skills there needs to be some sort of balance here. Im sorry but last place teams that are not even scoring an 80 out of 100 for example probably should not be invited to compete against the "best in the world" in my opinion. For all those coaches out there, if you were truelly interested in the best interest of your kids and not your pocket books I can't see how taking your team to Worlds gives them a since of hope if you know before you even get there you have no hope in getting out of prelims. I may be the only one who shares this opinion, but we spend a lot of money and we as athletes don't get a lot out of it except learning good work ethics, team work, dedication, a since of accomplishment, friendships and memories. And to be told that I am on a team that is one of the best in the world but to finish not even within eye sight of them does nothing but crush my accomplishments. I'd rather you be honest with me.

Date: Tue Feb 26 12:49 AM, 2008

What team at USA came in last and got an at large bid?

Date: Tue Feb 26 12:51 AM, 2008

I just looked...it was in international.

Date: Tue Feb 26 5:42 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

I think each state should send one team in each division.

That would be great for Montana. Terrible for Texas, California, Florida, and Georgia.

Take 06 Small Senior for example - there were two teams from Texas in the top 3 and two teams from California in the top 5. Why should the second-best team from those states not get the chance to compete? Why should Montana, Idaho, Maine, etc. get a representative when they may have but 1 team in the entire state in their division?

Date: Tue Feb 26 7:10 AM, 2008

Or we can figure it out just like the Presidential electoral votes. By size of state and actual number of gyms. lol....seems silly but kinda interesting.

Nicole

flipkidjudge · Senior Member

I like your idea Nicole...lol

Date: Tue Feb 26 1:51 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

For those wanting more opinions on this topic check out Worlds vs Nationals touches on many of the same points.

While Im here Ill go ahead and drop my opinion on this topic. As Worlds has progressed and the USASF has attempted to include more teams every year in participating in this great competition I am starting to see a trend that our sport has already gone through. For all us "old timmers" who have been involved in the sport for more than 10 years, you may remember a time where you actually had to go to a regional competition and actually had to recieve a score that was high enough to earn you a bid to compete at nationals. And where are we now? Oh thats right now we are just able to register for "nationals" where you may only compete against a few teams if anyone at all. I give props to the major and original companies NCA, UCA, and USA for only giving one competition a year the title of "Nationals" where a lot of the "newer" companies are hosting 3 or 5 nationals a year. That term on here has been debated and discussed to no end. But getting back to my main point, look at the process Worlds has come to. The Paid Bid, Partial Paid Bid and At Large Bid. I understand the USASF has a level system for companies to reach to be able to give out so many bids and with every Paid and Partial Paid bid they get so many At Large Bids, But seriously the way its going in a few years are teams just going to be able to register for Worlds? No disrespect, but at USA Nationals last weekend a last place team got an At Large Bid. I think the time has come where if we want Worlds to be a competition where the elite of our sport are comming together to compete we need to start stream lining score sheets and companies need to get on the same page and have minimum requirements of getting to Worlds wether it be by score or skills there needs to be some sort of balance here. Im sorry but last place teams that are not even scoring an 80 out of 100 for example probably should not be invited to compete against the "best in the world" in my opinion. For all those coaches out there, if you were truelly interested in the best interest of your kids and not your pocket books I can't see how taking your team to Worlds gives them a since of hope if you know before you even get there you have no hope in getting out of prelims. I may be the only one who shares this opinion, but we spend a lot of money and we as athletes don't get a lot out of it except learning good work ethics, team work, dedication, a since of accomplishment, friendships and memories. And to be told that I am on a team that is one of the best in the world but to finish not even within eye sight of them does nothing but crush my accomplishments. I'd rather you be honest with me.

At certain competitions, they give out so many bids and for example with this particular comp, they gave out 4 international at large bids. There were only 4 people going for the bid. So, I'm sure they reluctantly gave out all the bids and they happen to be all Jr. teams, but what does it matter? Of course most of these jr teams are not going to make it out of prelims at worlds, anyways, because they are only sending 3 teams through to the finals. Like it has been already said, only the best will survive and win worlds. So, don't bag on these teams, that got these bids, I'm sure they know what they are up against and they obviously know they are not going to make it to the next round, but just the opportunity to be there and see the the best of cheerleading is a fantastic opportunity. I personally think they went a little crazy with the international bids this year, especially to have all these jr. teams go and pay and only letting 3 move on.

What about these comps that have say the, small Sr. 5 division that have 5 teams seperated by a mere 100th of a point situations? Does it make that 1st place team better than the 5th? No, I don't think it does. At this particular comp, yeah they were better, but not that much better that the 5th place team should not have the opportunity to go to worlds, if given the opportunity. That 5th place team, could go to worlds and kick butt.

This Worlds event is mostly all about the senior teams anyway, so don't get huffy, oldtimer when the international folks get these bids, because eveyone knows they are not in the same league, anyways.

Date: Tue Feb 26 1:54 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

For those wanting more opinions on this topic check out Worlds vs Nationals touches on many of the same points.

While Im here Ill go ahead and drop my opinion on this topic. As Worlds has progressed and the USASF has attempted to include more teams every year in participating in this great competition I am starting to see a trend that our sport has already gone through. For all us "old timmers" who have been involved in the sport for more than 10 years, you may remember a time where you actually had to go to a regional competition and actually had to recieve a score that was high enough to earn you a bid to compete at nationals. And where are we now? Oh thats right now we are just able to register for "nationals" where you may only compete against a few teams if anyone at all. I give props to the major and original companies NCA, UCA, and USA for only giving one competition a year the title of "Nationals" where a lot of the "newer" companies are hosting 3 or 5 nationals a year. That term on here has been debated and discussed to no end. But getting back to my main point, look at the process Worlds has come to. The Paid Bid, Partial Paid Bid and At Large Bid. I understand the USASF has a level system for companies to reach to be able to give out so many bids and with every Paid and Partial Paid bid they get so many At Large Bids, But seriously the way its going in a few years are teams just going to be able to register for Worlds? No disrespect, but at USA Nationals last weekend a last place team got an At Large Bid. I think the time has come where if we want Worlds to be a competition where the elite of our sport are comming together to compete we need to start stream lining score sheets and companies need to get on the same page and have minimum requirements of getting to Worlds wether it be by score or skills there needs to be some sort of balance here. Im sorry but last place teams that are not even scoring an 80 out of 100 for example probably should not be invited to compete against the "best in the world" in my opinion. For all those coaches out there, if you were truelly interested in the best interest of your kids and not your pocket books I can't see how taking your team to Worlds gives them a since of hope if you know before you even get there you have no hope in getting out of prelims. I may be the only one who shares this opinion, but we spend a lot of money and we as athletes don't get a lot out of it except learning good work ethics, team work, dedication, a since of accomplishment, friendships and memories. And to be told that I am on a team that is one of the best in the world but to finish not even within eye sight of them does nothing but crush my accomplishments. I'd rather you be honest with me.

At certain competitions, they give out so many bids and for example with this particular comp, they gave out 4 international at large bids. There were only 4 people going for the bid. So, I'm sure they reluctantly gave out all the bids and they happen to be all Jr. teams, but what does it matter? Of course most of these jr teams are not going to make it out of prelims at worlds, anyways, because they are only sending 3 teams through to the finals. Like it has been already said, only the best will survive and win worlds. So, don't bag on these teams, that got these bids, I'm sure they know what they are up against and they obviously know they are not going to make it to the next round, but just the opportunity to be there and see the the best of cheerleading is a fantastic opportunity. I personally think they went a little crazy with the international bids this year, especially to have all these jr. teams go and pay and only letting 3 move on.

What about these comps that have say the, small Sr. 5 division that have 5 teams seperated by a mere 100th of a point situations? Does it make that 1st place team better than the 5th? No, I don't think it does. At this particular comp, yeah they were better, but not that much better that the 5th place team should not have the opportunity to go to worlds, if given the opportunity. That 5th place team, could go to worlds and kick butt.

This Worlds event is mostly all about the senior teams anyway, so don't get huffy, oldtimer when the international folks get these bids, because eveyone knows they are not in the same league, anyways.

only 3 junior teams are making it to finals!!

wow thats crazy

Date: Tue Feb 26 11:27 PM, 2008

well they are handing out way less bids than they used to.
It got alot harder to get a bid than it used to be And they give out bids to teams that place third and fourth because all together they hand out bids to different divisions (such had lrge unlimited coed lvl 5, small senior coed lvl 5, etc.) and so they take the best scores out of ALL of those teams and handout as many bids as they are allowed to hand out.

Date: Wed Feb 27 6:46 AM, 2008

I think one or two bids per competition is enough..not 6-8. Especially when there aren't that many teams at the competitions.

Date: Wed Feb 27 10:37 AM, 2008

The teams who do place 3 or 4th at a competition and get a bid honestly seem to not play good at Worlds. I know it is the exerience that counts, it gets your gym out there but it's almost sad. Why go if you get a bid at 3rd-whatever place? I agree that they should send only the first place teams. If you already have a bid, you shouldn't go the competitions that are giving bids away. Enjoy your bid already.

Date: Wed Feb 27 10:40 AM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

The teams who do place 3 or 4th at a competition and get a bid honestly seem to not play good at Worlds. I know it is the exerience that counts, it gets your gym out there but it's almost sad. Why go if you get a bid at 3rd-whatever place? I agree that they should send only the first place teams. If you already have a bid, you shouldn't go the competitions that are giving bids away. Enjoy your bid already.

For a while I thought this too. But if they dont go to the competitions that offer bids where else would they compete and then you are truly still giving the bids to teams that would of gotten second or third if they were not there.

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

Anonymous wrote:
The teams who do place 3 or 4th at a competition and get a bid honestly seem to not play good at Worlds. I know it is the exerience that counts, it gets your gym out there but it's almost sad. Why go if you get a bid at 3rd-whatever place? I agree that they should send only the first place teams. If you already have a bid, you shouldn't go the competitions that are giving bids away. Enjoy your bid already.

I don't agree with this at all, well at least a majority of it. While I have mixed feelings about 3rd, 4th, I've even heard of 8th this year getting a bid, I don't think that teams that already have a bid should stop competing. Competing is what this is physical activity is all about. Another reason I don't think this is the way it should be handled is what would be the difference if the teams that normally receive first don't attend a competition, so a different team that normally wouldn't get first, second or third wins the division thus getting the bid and the bid just getting handed down? Also, some competitions can't be compared. If I take Tamara's Elite Flyers to CheerBest that has 1000 teams in my division competing, we place 21st, everyone before us has a bid, we get the bid...this competition may have more talented teams from all over the US compared to JamNation which only had two teams competiting in the division Pixie's Twinkle Toes won.

Not too mention that Worlds is one of the few remaining competitions that still require a team to qualify for finals. So those teams that one may feel doesn't belong there, may not make it. As long as a coach is upfront and realistic about their chances, what is the harm?

Date: Wed Feb 27 6:01 PM, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The teams who do place 3 or 4th at a competition and get a bid honestly seem to not play good at Worlds. I know it is the exerience that counts, it gets your gym out there but it's almost sad. Why go if you get a bid at 3rd-whatever place? I agree that they should send only the first place teams. If you already have a bid, you shouldn't go the competitions that are giving bids away. Enjoy your bid already.

For a while I thought this too. But if they dont go to the competitions that offer bids where else would they compete and then you are truly still giving the bids to teams that would of gotten second or third if they were not there.

I agree with the first comment. For the teams who already have a bid, don't go to the competition and find another. You guys at like there isn't other competition they can't attend. Remember, a while back there was a large pot about too many competition companies. Don't make up excuses for these gyms. Don't add that "the teams at the gym want to be together". I can say that the teams going for bids have not all gone to the same competition with their other teams at their own gym.