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I think we need to help Jamz make some much needed improvements....

Please post what you liked and disliked about yesterdays competition.




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They needed a mid-comp awards presentation for the all-star section!  Ridiculous to make those Tinys and Minis wait around for 7 HOURS until 9:45pm for results! furious

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First place teams should be allowed to go up on stage as a team to accept their trophies. 

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They should break up the competition times between cheer and hip hop/dance.  Have awards between the two sections.

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I hope Jamz will read this information and see that they need to make some big changes. Gym owners, please do not support them if they are not willing to listen to their customers!

My opinion only.....
*Longest day of my life (fact)! I was there to attend a cheer competition, not a hip hop competition. IMO, the two are completely different and should be kept seperate. No disrespect to the dancers from those programs.
*Can someone tell me why you would hold a competition on a Sunday and have the awards not begin until after 10 pm? There were tiny's and youth kids there from 1:30 (maybe earlier) until almost 11pm. Unexceptable! Thank you for not having the moms/dads dance off, pie eating, bubble blowing, etc. We had people who had to drive 3 hours home.
*No decent food. We brought sandwiches but once they were gone, we had to go out and buy food for so many of the kids in our program.
*You get all this for $15.00 per person!!!
*With all the great companies like Jamfest and Cheersport coming to Northern Califonia, we should no longer have to be subjected to this poor quality.

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I don't like attending JAMZ for all the above reasons.  Everyone constantly complains about them, but nothing ever changes.  I agree quit attending.  Maybe they'll take the hint and make some much needed changes.

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Where do you begin with Jamz!!!
Let me say this first... honestly you can only fault the gym owners who keep attending these competitions as well. STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN AND STOP GIVING THEM YOUR MONEY(OUR MONEY)!
If you stop attending JAMZ they will get the hint to change some of these things or will not be around too much longer.

Let's see I'll only list three:
1. Tiny and Mini teams should not be at a cheer competion until 9:45pm at anytime. As a matter of fact how about no team on a SUNDAY especially during the school year. TOTALLY RIDICULOUS...

2. They need fair judging and what I mean by that is... Please bring in outside judges with no affiliation with cheer programs. You can argue all day and night until you are blue in the face, that it seems unfair or even that it doesn't matter they judge fairly. BUT how about this, you will eliminate so much negativity about the JAMZ orginization, if JAMZ just brings in outside judges.  Please dont take us paying customers as fools. As a parent it pisses me off to see the staff up on stage doing their damn dances etc with their Jamz uniform on and then spot them with a gym they coach or help.  UCA is or was good for this and I can tell you that most gyms stopped attending their competitions and boy has it shown in the attendance of their comps. Stand up for what you believe in, GYM OWNERS STOP GOING TO THEIR DANG COMPETITIONS! 

3. This is for Jamz and other cheer comp orginizations. Please keep High school and youth leagues out of all star competitions. and what i mean by that is...
have those on different days that way you can start all star early morning and be done at a sensible time.

ATTENTION PARENTS WHO ARE TIRED OF THE JAMZ BS EACH YEAR!!!

When you enroll your children for the next season ask them if they are attending Jamz competitions and stand up for your children and let the gym owners know you are sick of wasting your money.
Our children deserve to be treated like the athletes they are.  Which means fair and equal judging of their talents.  Respect that they are children and that school and their health is important- meaning it is unhelathy and JAMZ shows a disrepect and inconsideration that school is important.

Let me say this, I am a paying customer and I spend my money on things that I like. Things that my children like. Things that give us pleasure etc... you get what I mean. If I don't like something, I dont pay for it.

When I joined our gym, I asked them if they attended JAMZ comeptitions and they said no!  I wouldn't waste my money or my time even enrolling in a program that frequents Jamz. Its my right as a paying cutomer.
Believe me, if we parents take a stand about Jamz,the gym owners will too.
PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AND THE SPORT THEY LOVE
If you don't stand for something you stand for nothing!

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I don't mind competing on Sunday, but at least be DONE by 8:30 PM for the junior and senior teams.

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Where do you begin with Jamz!!!
Let me say this first... honestly you can only fault the gym owners who keep attending these competitions as well. STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN AND STOP GIVING THEM YOUR MONEY(OUR MONEY)!
If you stop attending JAMZ they will get the hint to change some of these things or will not be around too much longer.

Let's see I'll only list three:
1. Tiny and Mini teams should not be at a cheer competion until 9:45pm at anytime. As a matter of fact how about no team on a SUNDAY especially during the school year. TOTALLY RIDICULOUS...

2. They need fair judging and what I mean by that is... Please bring in outside judges with no affiliation with cheer programs. You can argue all day and night until you are blue in the face, that it seems unfair or even that it doesn't matter they judge fairly. BUT how about this, you will eliminate so much negativity about the JAMZ orginization, if JAMZ just brings in outside judges.  Please dont take us paying customers as fools. As a parent it pisses me off to see the staff up on stage doing their damn dances etc with their Jamz uniform on and then spot them with a gym they coach or help.  UCA is or was good for this and I can tell you that most gyms stopped attending their competitions and boy has it shown in the attendance of their comps. Stand up for what you believe in, GYM OWNERS STOP GOING TO THEIR DANG COMPETITIONS! 

3. This is for Jamz and other cheer comp orginizations. Please keep High school and youth leagues out of all star competitions. and what i mean by that is...
have those on different days that way you can start all star early morning and be done at a sensible time.

ATTENTION PARENTS WHO ARE TIRED OF THE JAMZ BS EACH YEAR!!!

When you enroll your children for the next season ask them if they are attending Jamz competitions and stand up for your children and let the gym owners know you are sick of wasting your money.
Our children deserve to be treated like the athletes they are.  Which means fair and equal judging of their talents.  Respect that they are children and that school and their health is important- meaning it is unhelathy and JAMZ shows a disrepect and inconsideration that school is important.

Let me say this, I am a paying customer and I spend my money on things that I like. Things that my children like. Things that give us pleasure etc... you get what I mean. If I don't like something, I dont pay for it.

When I joined our gym, I asked them if they attended JAMZ comeptitions and they said no!  I wouldn't waste my money or my time even enrolling in a program that frequents Jamz. Its my right as a paying cutomer.
Believe me, if we parents take a stand about Jamz,the gym owners will too.
PROTECT OUR CHILDREN AND THE SPORT THEY LOVE
If you don't stand for something you stand for nothing!



I totally agree. I don't want to start a "cheer war," amongst some programs by playing the "judges card." But is was very obvious that Jamz favors a particular style of cheer over others. Hopefully we will see some of these teams compete against each other at a different competition. Would be interesting to see if the outcome is the same.



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Unfortunately we have attended a couple of JAMZ comps this season.  Each time we have walked out shaking our heads wondering about some of the placements.  I just don't get it.

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Unfortunately we have attended a couple of JAMZ comps this season.  Each time we have walked out shaking our heads wondering about some of the placements.  I just don't get it.



You will never get it. This has been going on for quite a few years. It isn't even about if the placements were right anymore! It is about standing up for what is right and fair. AND Jamz can not run a fair competition with thier staffers being associated with gyms competing. I am personally sick and tired over the debate about them. As I said before Parents and gym owners need to take a stand.

A couple years ago... we were at Jamz Nationals and we felt as though our teams got ripped off.  First we wrote to jamz both as a gym and parents. We got ther response we thought we would.  So then we decided to send off the dvd to several different areas to have them judge them by video and each of them did not put the top 3 gyms in the top 3.  They did however put our gym in the top 3.  We did not say what gym we represented.  Not one placed us as 1st however top 3!
Now remembering that watching by video is different. They were only allowed to watch it once and judge usong Jamz score sheet.  They had to leave comments as well.

After receiving all the results, we sent them all thank you notes and told them which gym we were and they were all shocked and in disbleif of the results. ALL OF THEM!

So at our gym we had a couple of PI and they did some investigating! Found out some interesting things.  One the announcer that year, was the husband of the gym owner that placed first.

That a majority of the teams that placed in the top 3 had JAMZ staffers on their staff at their gym.


We did consider sending our story to dateline or 20/20 for a full investigation on the Jamz cooperation as a whole, but at the time didn't want to feed into all the negativity competitive cheer was getting. 

I do suggest that as gym owners that you call around to these gyms that you know have no association with JAMZ and get one of these well known investigative teams to investigate.  You all have spent so much money and time and it needs to stop.  Competitive cheerleading will never get to the next level if we all continue to close a blind eye to these things.

Like i said before.... I asked gyms point blank when we were looking if they did JAMZ comps. and ifthey said yes, I expressed my concern and dislike for Jamz and I finally found a gym who doesnt attend. 


you leave plenty of competion wondering what the judges were thinking, its not just jamz. But the difference is you know that the judges are not owners, staffers at the gyms. So you blow off some steam and move on. BUT YOU/WE CAN NOT KEEP OUR MOUTH SHUT ANY LONGER AND KEEP SUBJECTING OUR CHILDREN TO THE UNFAIR JUDGING AT JAMZ. STOP GIVING THEM YOUR MONEY. OUR MONEY!
Times are hard an we are all making sacrafices and budgeting to keep our children in competitive cheer, don't let us parents down.  STAND UP





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wow! what did jamz comp say when you brought all this to them?

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I would like to applaud Cheertyme.  After the comopetition when most had left I saw some of the Cheertyme athletes picking up garbage from the area they were sitting.  It was nice to see.

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wow! what did jamz comp say when you brought all this to them?




Jamz was never notified of the results of the investigation or amything like that. As stated, we decided at that time competitive cheer was receiving so much negativity. that our gym just chose not to attend any jamz sponsoored events anymore. If we were to go back, i think our decison would be different.

especially since things haven't changed



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Jodi wrote:

I would like to applaud Cheertyme. After the comopetition when most had left I saw some of the Cheertyme athletes picking up garbage from the area they were sitting. It was nice to see.



That is awesome to see!

 



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Jodi wrote:

I would like to applaud Cheertyme.  After the comopetition when most had left I saw some of the Cheertyme athletes picking up garbage from the area they were sitting.  It was nice to see.



yes great job cheertyme




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How about this one. So...Royals Sr coed 4 definately had a great performance. But since this is a JAMZ topic, here it goes. If you know the rules in cheerleading, double downs from a one legged stunt is illegal, a 10 point deduction for the JAMZ guideline. So how is it with that legiality (in which it was the front and center flyer) did they win with no deductions? One of their best performances, yet, an illegal stunt? HELLO....rules JUDGE....Wakey Wakey...center flyer did a double from her stunt on center, and no judge caught it! Other than that....I agree with everything that has been mentioned. Break up the cheer and dance, and definately have some different awards sessions so we are not sitting in the parking lot at Midnight trying to go home because awards ended at 11:45pm. Sorry had to vent!hmm

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How about this one. So...Royals Sr coed 4 definately had a great performance. But since this is a JAMZ topic, here it goes. If you know the rules in cheerleading, double downs from a one legged stunt is illegal, a 10 point deduction for the JAMZ guideline. So how is it with that legiality (in which it was the front and center flyer) did they win with no deductions? One of their best performances, yet, an illegal stunt? HELLO....rules JUDGE....Wakey Wakey...center flyer did a double from her stunt on center, and no judge caught it! Other than that....I agree with everything that has been mentioned. Break up the cheer and dance, and definately have some different awards sessions so we are not sitting in the parking lot at Midnight trying to go home because awards ended at 11:45pm. Sorry had to vent!hmm




someone mentioned this earlier and questioned this in an earlier post. maybe someone could shed some light... but doesnt royals also have jamz staffer on their staff??

again leaving us to question fair judging.... we all know that double down from a one legged stunt level 4 is illegal and we know that they have a penalty judge so how did they take first. thats what we are all talking about its just an unfair venue to compete

but if we keep attending jamz then we cant complain. 



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Several programs have staffers that work for JAMZ. It is not hard to distinguish which ones do. Check and see if a program has at least three JAMZ comps per year and chances are they have JAMZ staff on their staff

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Several programs have staffers that work for JAMZ. It is not hard to distinguish which ones do. Check and see if a program has at least three JAMZ comps per year and chances are they have JAMZ staff on their staff




heres what we do then...
let all the gyms with jamz staffers compete at jamz and against each other and the rest of us stay far away from jamz.

stand up for what is right!
if every gym who doesnt have a jamz staffer at their gym stop attending their competitions then they will either get right, go away or be content with their own competing against each other.

Hey maybe that would be fair jamz staffer gyms against jamz staffer gyms.

GYM OWNERS PARENTS STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT!
YOUR PROGRAMS DESERVE BETTER AND OUR CHILDREN DESERVE BETTER



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