Out of control flyers

Date: Mon Oct 15 3:53 PM, 2007

Out of control flyers

Date: Mon Oct 15 6:08 PM, 2007

I feel that every gym should have a flight school with flyer being required to attend!!!! My daughter was coming home with injuries and extermely upset. I think this happens when coaches try to turn bases into flyer without proper training, or do not put together thier teams properly. The thing that really kills me is when I see a flyer that is bigger than her bases, I think it just looks riduculous.

Worlds Watcher · GURU

I would like to see every base experience flying and every flyer experience basing. Once they do both I think they have more respect for each other and what it takes to be good at those positions.

Date: Mon Oct 15 7:54 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I feel that every gym should have a flight school with flyer being required to attend!!!! My daughter was coming home with injuries and extermely upset. I think this happens when coaches try to turn bases into flyer without proper training, or do not put together thier teams properly. The thing that really kills me is when I see a flyer that is bigger than her bases, I think it just looks riduculous.

I have a few flyers taller than their bases....and they dont look riduculous at all.

Date: Mon Oct 15 8:46 PM, 2007

We actually have alot of flyers who are taller than the bases. The flyers are just taller but they're thin. I think it can be a bit more difficult to base, but it looks fine. Although we have one 8th grader flying on two 10th graders and the flyer is about a head taller than her bases. The sophomores are just short. It looks a bit funny before they go into the stunt, but once its up there, it's fine smile

Date: Tue Oct 16 9:12 AM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

What do you do when your flyer is too heavy and can't stay up, and you constantly get hurt trying to keep her up. I'm gettin kinda frustrated cus as her bases we keep getting blamed when she can't stay up.

It isnt always that the top person is too heavy the same injuries happen to bases with small top people technique is important i have witnessed gyms with small top people who are just putting them up because they are small but not ready for their level and it is just as dangerous i agree all top people should go to flight class as well as bases be required to attend strength classes squad memebers should be placed on age and skill appropriate squads as a former judge It bothered me most to watch small top person flying on a squad because she is tiny. i'd rather see strong squads with 99% appropriatly aged,skill leveled teams. just because they are small I would deduct points more for improper technique.
its not about the size of the top person (in most cases) it is all about proper technique and that goes back to the gym,coaching

Best of luck this season and work hard with your pod encourage each other and see what a difference it will make

Date: Tue Oct 16 10:10 AM, 2007

My daughter is a flyer and it's complete opposite, she always gets yelled at for not staying up. She comes home upset with her bases quite often because they cant hold her foot straight, or they are the same size as her...I hear every excuse. Her gym does not require the bases to go to flight school, which I think both bases and flyers should have to go. The bases need proper technique as well. She is learning to hold herself up better to make it easier on her bases...it gets hard when they dont hold themselves up.

Date: Tue Oct 16 5:01 PM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I feel that every gym should have a flight school with flyer being required to attend!!!! My daughter was coming home with injuries and extermely upset. I think this happens when coaches try to turn bases into flyer without proper training, or do not put together thier teams properly. The thing that really kills me is when I see a flyer that is bigger than her bases, I think it just looks riduculous.

I have a few flyers taller than their bases....and they dont look riduculous at all.

ive always been a head taller than my bases. i was in 10th grade last season and my bases were all in 8th. aww, my babies!!! lol, but i am really thin and dont weigh much in the air.

ACEDAD · GURU

Here's my advice: Ask a coach to spend some time with just your stunt group. Go through the stunt sequence step by step by step. Make sure that each person knows EXACTLY what is supposed to happen at each count. Make sure that all the bases know EXACTLY where their hands and feet are supposed to be (down to the fingers and toes). Make sure that the flyer knows EXACTLY how her feet, legs, arms, etc. are supposed to move.

If you do this, everyone will know what issue needs to be resolved.

There is no room for blame...just options, clear direction and results.

cheerwatcher · GURU

Great Advice Acedad!! You could never go wrong asking your coach to spend some extra time with your group.

COmomof2 · Senior Member

I know my daughter is a flyer and she has based. It is a sticky situation.

I see some bases as being un-enthused and angry, constantly irritated and always unsteady. This does not make it easy on flyers and on any of the team mates.

My daughter by no means can be considered heavy and her bases still have difficulty keeping it steady. If anything they could put one hand behind her thigh and hold her up.
I too believe it's all technique.

If you feel this way at any time, you definitely should talk to your coach about being moved. And if your flyer is heavy the coach should know to put the stronger bases on that stunt.

Hope it gets better for you.

-- Edited by COmomof2 at 17:01, 2007-10-17

Date: Wed Oct 17 7:52 PM, 2007

I think good communication is the best medicine for all involved. Talk it out and stay positive. The rest will take care of itself

Date: Thu Oct 18 10:11 PM, 2007

i have one of these but she is very nice about it she cant help that she is a flyer she didnt even wont to cheer but you know moms lol but her mom is the coach so we get blaed even more then the ther stunts!!!

love odyssey girl
good luck this season!!! biggrin biggrin smile smile biggrin biggrin

Date: Fri Oct 19 8:43 AM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I feel that every gym should have a flight school with flyer being required to attend!!!! My daughter was coming home with injuries and extermely upset. I think this happens when coaches try to turn bases into flyer without proper training, or do not put together thier teams properly. The thing that really kills me is when I see a flyer that is bigger than her bases, I think it just looks riduculous.

At 5'8, I have always been taller than my bases. Like someone said it may look funny when you start but once its up there its fine. A height difference doesn't mean that a team wasn't put together properly, positions are supposed to chosen based on skill, not just size. When you only go by size is when you get the tiny little girls that feel like they shouldn't have to work to keep it up.

To the orignal poster: Like someone suggested, if talking it out doesn't work then maybe you need to have a coach step in and take a look. An authority figure needs to make sure that everyone including the flyer is doing what they are supposed to do.

Broomstick Babe · Veteran Member

I think over half of our flyers are taller than our bases -- they just won't stop growing!! *lol*

Date: Fri Oct 19 10:01 AM, 2007

My daughter is a back spot and has had her share of being kicked in the face, scrapes, cuts and bruises, and lower back pain. It can be very frustrating for the cheerleader and the parent. Inexperience is usually a factor in injuries during stunting...

Helpful Hints....

- Condition, condition, condition

- Encourage and learn proper stretching techniques

- Don't participate when tired. Ask the coach to relieve you before you become to exhausted (especially bases).

- Wear proper shoes, loose clothing, and no jewelry

- Learn to work as a team without blaming each other when a stunt goes wrong. The more you trust each other the better you will do.

- Attempting difficult maneuvers prematurely. Don't be afraid to say that you feel uncomfortable or something is beyond your skill level.

- Adequate supervision

I'm sure the coaches on this message board can add other helpfule hints to this message.

Date: Fri Oct 19 11:09 AM, 2007

Hay all you moms it is easy to but blam on the flyer, base, spot, short, tall, my daughter her daughter ect. Let the coaches coach and find the problem or better yet lets see you try it. bleh

Keep the peace sit back and relaxxxxx.

Date: Fri Oct 19 11:21 AM, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Hay all you moms it is easy to but blam on the flyer, base, spot, short, tall, my daughter her daughter ect. Let the coaches coach and find the problem or better yet lets see you try it. Keep the peace sit back and relaxxxxx.

ur funny tell em
its true let the coach coach

Tamara · cheergyms.com Master Poster

Anonymous wrote:

Hay all you moms it is easy to but blam on the flyer, base, spot, short, tall, my daughter her daughter ect. Let the coaches coach and find the problem or better yet lets see you try it. Keep the peace sit back and relaxxxxx.

I get so tired of reading these posts where the writer tries to take what was a legitimate concern and make it out like the original poster (and those after) were under the "crazy diva mom" syndrome. I'm not saying those moms aren't out there, but that doesn't mean every mom is one.

In the original post and the responses the problem was their child was coming home in tears because of the situation, not the other way around. Sometimes we need to understand that our kids just want to use us as their crying/complaining board. They don't want us to fix anything, they just want us to listen to them because they realize yelling at the coaches and their teammates isn't going to solve anything.

Date: Fri Oct 19 11:35 AM, 2007

Tamara wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Hay all you moms it is easy to but blam on the flyer, base, spot, short, tall, my daughter her daughter ect. Let the coaches coach and find the problem or better yet lets see you try it. Keep the peace sit back and relaxxxxx.

I get so tired of reading these posts where the writer tries to take what was a legitimate concern and make it out like the original poster (and those after) were under the "crazy diva mom" syndrome. I'm not saying those moms aren't out there, but that doesn't mean every mom is one.

In the original post and the responses the problem was their child was coming home in tears because of the situation, not the other way around. Sometimes we need to understand that our kids just want to use us as their crying/complaining board. They don't want us to fix anything, they just want us to listen to them because they realize yelling at the coaches and their teammates isn't going to solve anything.

Thank you Tamara very well said. biggrin