Can you double team on level 3 and 4 or level 2 and 3

FLYER4EVER · Member

Can you double team on level 3 and 4 or level 2 and 3

cheergirl622 · GURU

i dont think this is a rule for everyone .. ?
my gym has quite a few people who are crossing over on teams this year
it might be a rule for some competitions though

Diva Coach Melissa · Senior Member

It is not a rule. You currently can cross-over as much as you'd like, except at Worlds.

It is a gaping flaw in the USASF rules and divisioning system. Hopefully they will be taking a look at it soon.

Danny · Senior Member

We might as well come to terms with this crossover thing. The competition companies (which btw the usasf has no control over) have no reason to ever ban crossovers. On the contrary. If they had their way every kid would be on 5 teams each. More registration $ that way. Even if one random company (say NCA) all of a sudden banned crossover, all they'd be doing is killing their attendance. No gym is going to rearrange their teams to attend any one particular competition.

I personally have been anti-crossovers since the concept presented itself but at this point I have to let it go. Fighting it from this point on is only detrimental to by business.

The next thing that we all need to come to terms with is what truly constitutes a specific level. In my opinion, reading the usasf guidlines for levels says it all but I think that our optimism sometimes urges us to create an alternate reality.

-- Edited by Danny at 22:04, 2007-08-04

Cheer411 · Senior Member

Yes you can!

Just as long as your momma has the money to pay twice as many competitions. (There's no freebies in cheer.) Just like Danny said, those competition host are looking to make lots of money. If you are willing to put out the $40.00 to $100.00 for everytime you hit the mat, those companies will keep saying yes.

PLEASE DOUBLE TEAM!

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-- Edited by Cheer411 at 16:30, 2007-08-05

-- Edited by Cheer411 at 16:31, 2007-08-05

AbbyByTheBay · Senior Member

Yes, there are no rules against crossovers, and no rules or guidelines or even suggestions as to what might be wrong with your higher level athletes crossing over to lower level teams. If there's nothing wrong with it and apparently everyone is doing it (even gyms who used to refrain from it), and everyone is trying to justify it, then I guess it will all depend on how you measure success. If you measure success by number of wins, then some of us may have to jump off our high horses and join the crowd. Nothing to stop us from putting our level 5 and level 4 athletes on level 2 teams (might as well)? Judging by what I've been reading lately, I would say it's being encouraged.

-- Edited by AbbyByTheBay at 15:05, 2007-08-05

Cheer411 · Senior Member

I could understand one or two cheerleaders double teaming to filling in a void if someone were to get injured, sick, or any type of family emergency. But it's disappointing to me to hear that most of the gyms are asking their cheerleaders to double team on at least 2 teams.

Double teaming is a huge dedication. Remember everyone, the cheerleaders have other things to do. They all can't live in the gym. THere still is school, church, family, and the opportunity to "just be a kid".

Abbybythebay: you touched on a interesting subject. The measurement of success.

EVERYONE: How do you measure success at your cheerleading gyms?

Oh, hey, maybe its time for a new poll? Give me some performance measures and I will create a poll.

JennyCheerCA · Veteran Member

I know of a gym who had a girl on 4 and sometimes 5 teams last year.....that's crazy!!!

cheergirl622 · GURU

last year we had a girl on 3 teams. and we only had 5 teams in the whole gym. she actually could have been on 4 but 3 was already alot for her and she was really tired

xpressjag · Senior Member

FLYER4EVER wrote:

Our gym says you cannot double team unless it is the same level. Why is this so ? Does anyone know? Is this just a rule for our gym? Do other gyms have this rule? Is this a USASF rule? Is this a competition program rule? Just wanted to get feelers about this. I am a flyer and want to double team with my friends on level 2 and level 4. I am not yet at level 4 in tumbling but I can do level 5 stunting

At USA competitions this rule is true. They will not allow you to cross compete anyone that isn't at the same level (Ie. youth 4 and junior 4). That is a major reason why their attendance is down for all star teams.

Danny · Senior Member

Awwwww USA.....they just keep shootng themselves in the foot.

CheerMama · Senior Member

xpressjag wrote:

FLYER4EVER wrote:

Our gym says you cannot double team unless it is the same level. Why is this so ? Does anyone know? Is this just a rule for our gym? Do other gyms have this rule? Is this a USASF rule? Is this a competition program rule? Just wanted to get feelers about this. I am a flyer and want to double team with my friends on level 2 and level 4. I am not yet at level 4 in tumbling but I can do level 5 stunting

At USA competitions this rule is true. They will not allow you to cross compete anyone that isn't at the same level (Ie. youth 4 and junior 4). That is a major reason why their attendance is down for all star teams.

Where does it say that on te USA website? I looked at their info for comps and didn't see it anywhere. I would hope that they post that info so that gyms are aware of it. In our case. My stepdaughter has been on Junior 2, but recently acquired a tuck and now there is room for her on the Senior 3 team so she is doubling up. Since we are at a brand spanking new gym I don't think the coach knows this rule and we are going to a USA comp. I'll have to let him know if this is true.

xpressjag · Senior Member

Cheer mama, I know that for a fact. I have to switch around kids the week of and knew programs who had to change levels of their programs specifically when they go to USA. I have spoke with SEVERAL USA people about this issue and still no change. USA and UCA are usually catered towards schools anyways and that is their focus from my experience.

cheergirl622 · GURU

i dont know where it says this rule but i think its true
our gym only brought half of our teams there because we had some crossovers from junior 3 to senior 4 so we didnt bring those 2 teams to usa competitions

CheerMama · Senior Member

cheergirl622 wrote:

i dont know where it says this rule but i think its true
our gym only brought half of our teams there because we had some crossovers from junior 3 to senior 4 so we didnt bring those 2 teams to usa competitions

So they changed the teams up and now have a Senior 2 and Senior 3. SO CAn they still double up? I am confused. I am not big on USA Comps.

lvnlife · Member

Our gym doesn't make or pressure anyone to cross team but if you'd like to you may. A few parents at our gym actually want their child to cross team because they feel they get more out of the comps when they get to watch their child compete more than once. Alot of the kids that are in upper levels that cross to lower levels say that they enjoy it because they get the best of both worlds (working to their maximum potential on level 5 and relaxing a bit and having fun with the lower level). To each his own. What works for some may not work for others, it works out nice that our gym opens up the option to everyone and if you can cross team, great if you can't...no hard feelings.

CheerMama · Senior Member

Well I finally got on USA's Website and found this
CATEGORIES/DIVISIONS

The USA and/or its competition personnel reserves the right to delete, combine, or divide categories and

divisions as deemed necessary. If categories/divisions are altered, adjustments will be made in the awards.

An individual may not compete against her/himself in the same division/category (i.e. two Group Stunt

teams). An individual may not compete on two teams within the same category type and/or divisions

within a category when separated by size or stunt/tumbling limitations or level (i.e. Large Sr. All-Star

Show Cheer and Small Sr. All-Star Show Cheer divisions; Show Cheer Level 1 and Show Cheer Level 2

categories). To clarify, the same individual cannot compete at 2 different levels for All Star (Sr. Show

Cheer Level 2 and Sr. Show Cheer Level 3). The penalty for this violation will be disqualification of one of

the routines.

A team must compete in the same category/division at All-Star Nationals for which it qualified in at a

Regional unless prior written approval is received from the USA office. (i.e. If you qualify for Show Cheer

at a Regional competition, you may not compete in Co-Ed Show Cheer at All-Star Nationals unless you

qualify for that division at a Regional. Or if you qualify for Show Cheer Level 1 at a Regional

competition, you may not compete in Show Cheer Level 2 at Nationals unless you qualify for that

category at a Regional.)

-- Edited by CheerMama at 16:41, 2007-10-08

Date: Mon Oct 8 3:43 PM, 2007

That's why not many all-star companies go to USA. USA is mainly high school and college nationals now.

Date: Mon Oct 8 3:44 PM, 2007

and youth too.

Diva Coach Melissa · Senior Member

This is actually the only rule discrepancy that USA has from USASF that I like.

The problem for me is that you don't know if a kid is really level 2 and bumping up to a level 4 to help the numbers, or if some level 5 kid is coming down to help "sandbag" a level 3 team. THAT is the part I don't like. I don't care if you're giving the lower-level athete an opportunity to try a higher level. I DON'T like that a kid with a double-punch-double can compete in level 2. It's inappropriate. It's not allowed in gymnastics (once you get the qualifying score for the next level, you can't drop back until the following season)...it shouldn't be allowed in cheer.